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To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

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Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 08:05

Now I'm not saying one gender is better than the other. But as a mother of sons I feel worried for their future because it seems this notion is currently being pushed that girls can get away with being drama queens but boys need to keep their feelings to themselves and pander to them or they might grow up to be abusive men? What happened to equal rights? I don't condone violence of any sort but this is totally unfair that boys shouldn't be able to do what girls do in terms of sticking up for themselves.

OP posts:
Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 09:39

Thepeopleversuswork · 11/05/2024 09:36

@KatyaKabanova

I always think of that saying, that if you're used to privilege, equality feels unfair.

This exactly.

OP obviously you need to escalate this issue with the school. It isn’t acceptable for this little girl to kick your kid.

But extrapolating some conspiracy theory about this being a result of girls being taught to be “fierce” or “bossy” shows how much internalised misogyny you have.

If a boy had kicked your son would you have railed against him having been brought up to be “fierce”? No of course not because that’s a given. You would have mentally written him off as a little pain in the arse and complained to school.

No one is going to dispute that this kid shouldn’t be kicking your son. But you seem to be more offended by the fact the child assaulting your child is a girl than by the fact it’s happening.

I'm really not, I would say the same if it was another little boy. I'm just saying it seems that the girls are given a much easier time when it comes to bullying but when it's boys people come down on them harder.

OP posts:
Oneofthesurvivors · 11/05/2024 09:42

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 09:16

It's not okay for anyone to kick anyone but why is isn't acceptable the girl gets away with it? There's no time for all this gentle parenting BS it needs to be nipped in the bud and I think kicking back in defense is absolutely fine? What about karate and judo? So much double standards.

Did anyone here say it was acceptable?

YoureStuckOnMeLikeATattoohoohoo · 11/05/2024 09:42

You're misogynistic, it's just that simple.

"Drama queens", have a little think about why you used that phrase in relation to some girls being raised the same way that boys have been raised for decades.

Also boys have been getting away with aggression forever under the guise of "boys will be boys".

You really think society is changing so much that women are becoming the aggressors and the poor menfolk are just innocent bystanders? Go have a look at statistics for violent crimes, that should soothe your nerves a bit.

Your son being bullied at school isn't a boy/girl issue, it's a bully/victim issue, and you need to be doing more if the school aren't giving you a satisfactory response. You can escalate beyond the head teacher if need be, ask the school for a copy of their bullying guidelines, all the information should be on there on who to contact next.

Medschoolmum · 11/05/2024 09:43

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 09:31

Just to clarify, my son didn't just kick her back in anger, it's because he has had enough. I've tried escalating with the school nothing has been done. I would never encourage him to just hit a child unless it is in self defense.

So what was the response when you escalated your complaint to the governors?

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 09:45

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 09:39

I'm really not, I would say the same if it was another little boy. I'm just saying it seems that the girls are given a much easier time when it comes to bullying but when it's boys people come down on them harder.

No. They're not "given an easier time" when it comes to bullying. Or anything else.

Coshei · 11/05/2024 09:46

I know what you mean and I agree with you. My
We had a friend visiting who overloaded my daughter with praise at any opportunity. It was a bit ridiculous but fine. He then went on to tell her repeatedly that “girls are much better than boys”, “girls are much smarter than boys” which pissed me off. I would have been fine if he’d told her that she’s smarter than me because she’d have laughed. But I absolutely don’t want this dividing and sexist bullshit around her.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 11/05/2024 09:46

In my view you've totally missed the point. Males and females are still viewed by and judged by and treated by society completely differently. Some people think this is wrong and are trying to redress the balance. Standing up for yourself, being able to make yourself heard while others are mansplaining, not putting up with things that make you uncomfortable or are against your beliefs just to 'keep the peace', being assertive etc is the goal for raising girls - the opposite of being a 'drama queen'. I also think boys are being encouraged to talk about their feelings more, not less

Medschoolmum · 11/05/2024 09:47

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 09:39

I'm really not, I would say the same if it was another little boy. I'm just saying it seems that the girls are given a much easier time when it comes to bullying but when it's boys people come down on them harder.

I don't agree. Girls are typically socialised to "be kind", whereas there is still a broad acceptance in society that "boys will be boys".

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 09:47

Coshei · 11/05/2024 09:46

I know what you mean and I agree with you. My
We had a friend visiting who overloaded my daughter with praise at any opportunity. It was a bit ridiculous but fine. He then went on to tell her repeatedly that “girls are much better than boys”, “girls are much smarter than boys” which pissed me off. I would have been fine if he’d told her that she’s smarter than me because she’d have laughed. But I absolutely don’t want this dividing and sexist bullshit around her.

It's one example. You don't know how typical that is, and it's certainly not evidential.

CharlotteRumpling · 11/05/2024 09:51

I have a son as well. There is no way I would ever encourage him to hit anyone, even a bully, girl or boy.

There is absolutely no fucking way boys have it easier in this world, in any field, ever. You will learn that when your DS gets older and all the boys in his class are sharing misogynistic shit and pictures of girls.

Coshei · 11/05/2024 09:52

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 09:47

It's one example. You don't know how typical that is, and it's certainly not evidential.

Of course it was an example. It’s the one I picked for my response because it fitted the thread. I can see where the op is coming from.

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 09:56

Coshei · 11/05/2024 09:52

Of course it was an example. It’s the one I picked for my response because it fitted the thread. I can see where the op is coming from.

Well, I can't. I have a neighbour who thinks that you should eat something coloured yellow every day. It doesn't mean that this is a societal change which will impact our lives.
It's just one person's rather odd belief.
However, I have noticed that anything which knocks girls and women swiftly gains currency.

Coshei · 11/05/2024 10:01

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 09:56

Well, I can't. I have a neighbour who thinks that you should eat something coloured yellow every day. It doesn't mean that this is a societal change which will impact our lives.
It's just one person's rather odd belief.
However, I have noticed that anything which knocks girls and women swiftly gains currency.

On the contrary. There is an ever increasing trend to interpret even harmless behaviour as abusive and misogynistic. Ask men, or parents of boys about it.

Momstermunch · 11/05/2024 10:01

No he doesn't have her number, he was just a random bloke in a pub.

Look op, your son shouldn't be getting bullied and you should absolutely keep on at the school to get it sorted. It IS possible that they're not taking it seriously because she's a girl. This doesn't mean there has been some big swing in society where men are now kicked around by women.

Male violence against women is still very much an issue, far more of an issue than female violence against men. There are very few grown women who would start a physical fight with a man because we all know it wouldn't end well for them.

Anonymouseposter · 11/05/2024 10:02

Girls are no longer being taught to be nice and kind. I understand why this is happening as we are trying to undo years of oppression. What seems to me to be going wrong is that we are teaching women to behave more like men but not encouraging men to be more nurturing and kind. It would be a a good thing if everyone was taught to be nice and kind but could be assertive if they were being taken advantage of. What seems to be happening now is that children who aren’t aggressive, whatever their sex, are getting trampled over because we aren’t teaching anyone to be considerate.

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 10:03

Coshei · 11/05/2024 10:01

On the contrary. There is an ever increasing trend to interpret even harmless behaviour as abusive and misogynistic. Ask men, or parents of boys about it.

Of course (some) men and boys will agree with that.
I said it upthread - if you're used to privilege, equality feels unfair.
Harmless behaviour is just that. Continuing harassment and violence against girls and women is never harmless.

Oneofthesurvivors · 11/05/2024 10:04

Coshei · 11/05/2024 10:01

On the contrary. There is an ever increasing trend to interpret even harmless behaviour as abusive and misogynistic. Ask men, or parents of boys about it.

What are examples of this "harmless behaviour"?

Medschoolmum · 11/05/2024 10:04

Coshei · 11/05/2024 10:01

On the contrary. There is an ever increasing trend to interpret even harmless behaviour as abusive and misogynistic. Ask men, or parents of boys about it.

As others have said, when you're used to privilege, equality can very often feel like oppression.

KatyaKabanova · 11/05/2024 10:05

Plus, @Coshei , I am the parent of adult DC, including boys. They do not believe that they are victims of females misinterpreting their harmless behaviour.

CharlotteRumpling · 11/05/2024 10:07

Coshei · 11/05/2024 10:01

On the contrary. There is an ever increasing trend to interpret even harmless behaviour as abusive and misogynistic. Ask men, or parents of boys about it.

I am the parent of a young man, and absolutely disagree.

DanceMumTaxi · 11/05/2024 10:07

I don’t think girls are being raised to be ‘drama queens’. I have one of each and am raising them in the same way. There is nothing wrong with being confident and assertive when necessary for either of them. Likewise they can both be sensitive and thoughtful too.

Bridgetta · 11/05/2024 10:10

I think we have (more or less) stopped trying to raise girls in terms of what is ideal for men. But I equally do not think we should raise boys in terms of what’s ideal for women.

I see a lot of women try to raise their sons to be kind and aware of their privilege and whatnot, but I think this is going to wildly backfire, already seeing signs of it tbh.

YoureStuckOnMeLikeATattoohoohoo · 11/05/2024 10:11

Coshei · 11/05/2024 10:01

On the contrary. There is an ever increasing trend to interpret even harmless behaviour as abusive and misogynistic. Ask men, or parents of boys about it.

I have 2 sons.

I see plenty of women calling misogynistic behaviour out, and plenty of men saying "it's just a joke" or "you can't say anything anymore", but I can't say I've seen any harmless behaviour interpreted as misogynistic.

Workawayxx · 11/05/2024 10:11

this isn’t sonething I’ve noticed and I have a ds and dd. I think if there is encouragement on girls to be fierce and boys to be gentle, it’s only trying to reverse centuries of conditioning the opposite way. Which is still (girls be kind and gentle, boys be strong and tough), overall the message they receive imo. There’s still a lot of stereotyping. My 2 were broadly the same in terms of enjoying outdoors and loving books as toddlers (fairly normal!) but DD’s love of books is commented on a lot whereas DS’s love of the outdoors was by far the most commented on.

Sorry to hear about your DS at school, OP. My DS was being kicked and hit at school by some girls when he was about 9. The teachers didn’t do much (mainly because it was happening out of sight and the girls said it was a mutual game) but I spoke to the head and he immediately sorted it so that’s worth doing. I didn’t suggest he retaliated against them as it’s all very well at 6 but what about when he’s 16 and much bigger and stronger than the girls?

CharlotteRumpling · 11/05/2024 10:12

Bridgetta · 11/05/2024 10:10

I think we have (more or less) stopped trying to raise girls in terms of what is ideal for men. But I equally do not think we should raise boys in terms of what’s ideal for women.

I see a lot of women try to raise their sons to be kind and aware of their privilege and whatnot, but I think this is going to wildly backfire, already seeing signs of it tbh.

How will it backfire? And why shouldn't we raise boys in terms of what is ideal for women, seeing as how the reverse has only resulted in catastrophic male violence in every country?

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