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To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

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Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 08:05

Now I'm not saying one gender is better than the other. But as a mother of sons I feel worried for their future because it seems this notion is currently being pushed that girls can get away with being drama queens but boys need to keep their feelings to themselves and pander to them or they might grow up to be abusive men? What happened to equal rights? I don't condone violence of any sort but this is totally unfair that boys shouldn't be able to do what girls do in terms of sticking up for themselves.

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BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 13/05/2024 16:41

Newbutoldfather · 13/05/2024 14:53

@BernardBlacksBreakfastWine ,

It is a scary thought that you take that sexist attitude into a classroom!

I have taught in many classrooms and my experience doesn’t mirror yours. Yes, on the whole boys like to be heard and and are more ‘disobedient’, but there are plenty of exceptions. And a lot of the ‘naughty’ boys are really struggling when you scrape beneath the surface.

In addition, girls tend to have more excuses and are well aware that they are more likely to get away with minor infractions (missing homework, not obeying dress code). In the most recent school I taught in detentions were about 3:1 in favour of boys.

Pupils need to be treated fairly, as individuals, not labelled as part of an oppressive class.

The boys of today just shouldn’t be paying for their grandparent’s misogyny.

It’s not sexist to describe patterns that are observable. Would you say it’s sexist to state that men commit over 90% of violent crime? (I forget the exact figure but it’s something frightening).

Hardly surprising that boys cause more bother in the classroom, is it?

Every teacher on the planet will know that what I’ve observed is broadly true. Not sure where you’ve been!

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 16:51

@Newbutoldfather "The boys of today just shouldn’t be paying for their grandparent’s misogyny."

I agree. The problem is that the misogyny is still there. What are men doing about it?

Iaskedyouthrice · 13/05/2024 17:20

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 13/05/2024 14:35

As for the little girl, apparently it's not just my child she bullies a few others in the class as well. She is very confident and always gets the lead parts in any dancing, speaking etc. Which is great but all they keep saying is we're looking into it. Her mum is very active in the school and I'm almost certain she is the teachers favorite although I have no proof of this it just feels like because her mum is really in with them it must be a case of not what you know, it's who you know 😔

Oh dear. Taking the battle between very young girls and boys out of this, and looking at this specific problem you have, you need to get clever here. I've been there, up against the fave (a boy in my case, fantastic football player so 'protected' 🙄). Make sure you get that meeting with the head, take a copy of the schools bullying policy AND note down the school ethos. Read it out to them and ask if it aligns with your sons experience at the school. It'll be on the website. If another parent mentions anything to you ask them to mention it to the class teacher, if they don't feel comfortable taking it further it can be done somewhat casually. Most importantly DO NOT be fobbed off. Stand your ground and stay calm and polite. Ask , if they are unwilling to actually do anything with the girl, what are they doing instead, to safeguard your child?

I know you have agreed with all the posts that support your theory, but I hope you have read and digested some of the posts about the shitty and dangerous things that young girls and women face. Young boys and men face very different demons but it's not on young girls and women to fix. All girls should be raised to be as fierce as fierce can be but as I've said already, that's still not enough.

The problem you have, is that your sons bully happens to be a 'popular' girl. The popular kids come in both sexes and believe me, by the time they get to teen years their confidence is taken from them and life becomes one big competition with their peers. Terrible for their mental health.

Good luck with the bully situation.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 13/05/2024 17:23

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 13/05/2024 14:35

As for the little girl, apparently it's not just my child she bullies a few others in the class as well. She is very confident and always gets the lead parts in any dancing, speaking etc. Which is great but all they keep saying is we're looking into it. Her mum is very active in the school and I'm almost certain she is the teachers favorite although I have no proof of this it just feels like because her mum is really in with them it must be a case of not what you know, it's who you know 😔

So this post is actually about favouritism, in which case the child's sex would be irrelevant. Nothing to do with girls being this(getting preferential treatment)and boys being that.(victimised)

BernardBlacksBreakfastWine · 13/05/2024 17:35

Newbutoldfather · 13/05/2024 14:53

@BernardBlacksBreakfastWine ,

It is a scary thought that you take that sexist attitude into a classroom!

I have taught in many classrooms and my experience doesn’t mirror yours. Yes, on the whole boys like to be heard and and are more ‘disobedient’, but there are plenty of exceptions. And a lot of the ‘naughty’ boys are really struggling when you scrape beneath the surface.

In addition, girls tend to have more excuses and are well aware that they are more likely to get away with minor infractions (missing homework, not obeying dress code). In the most recent school I taught in detentions were about 3:1 in favour of boys.

Pupils need to be treated fairly, as individuals, not labelled as part of an oppressive class.

The boys of today just shouldn’t be paying for their grandparent’s misogyny.

In fact, @Newbutoldfather how dare you call my attitude sexist?

I have taught hundreds of boys and I like teaching them. I have had some all-boy classes (always bottom sets - underachieving due to behaviour usually rather than innate ability) and I liked and respected all the boys (except the ones who made vulgar personal comments to me in my younger days). None of this makes me unable to observe the very gendered behaviour that goes on in school.

You say boys shouldn’t be paying for their male ancestors’ mistakes. Well, of course they shouldn’t- but the trouble is, those ‘mistakes’ are embedded and really hard to weed out, and men aren’t generally interested in weeding them out because, you know, the old ways kind of pandered to them. And if the only ‘payment’ they’re having to make is to admit they have a privilege and try not to wield it against girls - well, that’s better than all subsequent generations of girls paying for it with their safety. Isn’t it??

It’s always amazing to me how unaware some people can be of what sexism is and where is came from.

Sure, there are exceptions and outliers like the OP’s case. But those situations are notable for being exceptions.

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 18:18

@MissyB1 "I realise some posters hate the idea that I advocate listening to boys and empathising with them,"

I find it competely baffling that you have taken this from any posts on here. I'm feeling as if I'm speaking another language.

CurlewKate · 13/05/2024 20:13

@Voodoohoodoyoudo Several people have now answered your question about misogynist language.

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