To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

[Voodoohoodoyoudo]

Now I'm not saying one gender is better than the other. But as a mother of sons I feel worried for their future because it seems this notion is currently being pushed that girls can get away with being drama queens but boys need to keep their feelings to themselves and pander to them or they might grow up to be abusive men? What happened to equal rights? I don't condone violence of any sort but this is totally unfair that boys shouldn't be able to do what girls do in terms of sticking up for themselves.

OP out of interest what are your (honest) thoughts of Andrew Tate and similar creatures ?

I've never watched him, only found out recently who he was on here!

What about the term 'pussies' which is usually reserved for men only?

You really are the Boy Mum cliché.

@Voodoohoodoyoudo "I've never watched him, only found out recently who he was on here!"

Well, you're not really informed enough to pronounce on the current state of socialization of boys and young men then, are you?

You mean the term that is based on slang for female genitalia, that is used to imply weakness?

And who started that?

Men. It’s an insult made by men to other men calling them a girl in a crude way through the belief that women are weak.

@Voodoohoodoyoudo "What about the term 'pussies' which is usually reserved for men only?"

Nope. Don't like that either.

Look, I was Today years old when I learnt apparently all these terms are misogynistic. I can understand some but, drama queen? I really had no idea how many people thought it was that bad. And I'm not stuck in a hole I'm very sociable and never heard of these terms being misogynistic.

Much like 'fat shaming' and 'skinny shaming'
It's not right to put one down to make the other feel better. Males and females are just as important as each other. I'd that so misogynistic?

You didn’t know men calling other men pussies, is rooted in misogyny?! 🤨

No I'm an ignorant hillbilly 🤣
I just thought they were words 😕

I mean obviously I know it's slang for female parts but it's also as in 'pussycat' right?

Pussycats have nothing to do with why the term is used.

If you aren’t making progress with the HT complain to the governors.

Do you not think then in hindsight maybe you aren’t as knowledgeable on the issue as you think then?

you don’t understand why such terms are misogynistic, you don’t know about Andrew Tate yet your online arguing that men are being treated unfairly in favour of women? Maybe instead of being so defensive look into the wider, more complex issue so you can raise your sons to understand the world around them more.

Much like the terms slag, whore and frigid that ARE reserved for women and girls only.
I've even seen the term frigid whore used when speaking of a young woman who dared turn down an encounter with a delightful young man. How does a frigid whore even operate??

@Voodoohoodoyoudo "Males and females are just as important as each other. I'd that so misogynistic?"

No. It isn't.HTH. (Stands for hope this helps-just in case that's new to you too)

What's uni got to do with it?

@Voodoohoodoyoudo

“Drama” in itself is quite a gendered word in my view. It’s routinely used on here when a woman stands up for herself. For example: “no need for the drama” in a situation where a husband is being a prick. “Drama” in this context often means “saying no”. The implication is that women and girls shouldn’t say no.

”Drama queen” is obviously gendered. When did you ever hear a man being described as a “drama king”?

You seem not to have given much thought towards this topic, hence the “political correctness gone mad” comment which is the standard riposte of people when they get called on offensive language and are uncomfortable about it. This is not unusual: most people do feel uncomfortable when it’s pointed out to them that they have attitudes which support negative stereotypes. The question is what you do with that discomfort. Do you use it to grow? Or do you bury your head in the sand.

Words do matter though because they hurt people and they erroneously define people. There are words which used to be used to describe people of colour which now are rightly considered beyond the pale and I am sure you don’t use them. It’s a similar process. You may not consider “drama queen” or “psycho bitch” to be gendered but stop and think about why others might before you write it off as “political correctness gone mad”.

If you haven’t taken the trouble to educate yourself on this then maybe start doing so now. Your sons will benefit from a mother who understands the damage these stereotypes do to both men and women.

@Voodoohoodoyoudo

But on here when men are being slagged off they are

Cunts
Arseholes
Twats
Wankers

How can you not see the double standards?

Women are called all of the the names above .

Cunts and Twats are particularly misogynistic whether bring used about men or women being vulgar names for female genitals.

Only women get called

drama queens
whiny spoiled princesses

Everyone of these terms of abuse are used to put girls snd women down.

I agree. This sweeping statement that all males are privileged from birth is taking the biscuit.

The main privilege for both genders, as is highlighted above, comes from wealth. You could argue men overall have more wealth - but if you're a woman of independent financial means (which probably means you've also been well educated), you have more choices in life than most people - men or women.

Plenty of men live in poverty. Plenty aren't well-educated. They're not doing as well at school as girls. Traditionally, large numbers of them would have died in battle or held manual jobs that are now obsolete. Suicide is high amongst young men.

People understand today that the patriarchy is toxic, for both men and women but I don't think you can blame men today for the fact it still exists and brand them all as evil - in the same way you can't blame me for the slave trade because I'm white and was born into a nation that made a lot of its wealth from slavery. I oppose modern slavery on every level.

For me, the key to a woman's happiness and success in life it to get as educated as you can; keep learning to keep an open mind and not sink into an insular world of bitterness and regret where men are always going to be bad - and so's your son's girlfriend etc etc

fight hard to be financially independent - key to avoiding abuse and control. If you're the mistress of your own destiny the world is your oyster.

I look at the man who lives next door to me (my age) and know that my life and prospects are infinitely better than his are.

Yes, privilege is intersectional. But men always start a step higher than women.

"Always"? Really? Did the Queen of England start lower than the guy outside her palace on a horse? Did the majority of university students in this country (female by the way) start lower than their brothers, but just managed to claw their way up somehow? What parent today, in this country, would send their daughter to a worse school than their son or encourage their son to get further education and a career but not their daughter?

Back to the royals (I'm not a monarchist) - the rules of Succession have changed to get rid of inequality between men and women. If Charlotte had been born before George she would be ahead of him now in the line of Succession.

Now to tackle ageism....

This sweeping statement that all males are privileged from birth is taking the biscuit.
Does it or is it just hard for you to understand?
Statements like this are so blinkered
Traditionally, large numbers of them would have died in battle and huge numbers of women died in childbirth or held manual jobs that are now obsolete. and most women worked in non professional jobs or as wage less carers.
comparing male and female experiences will not lead you to the conclusion that women live privileged lives. We have as a sex been disadvantaged not just physically but systematically with social and legal disadvantages that are impossible not to see. The history books are full of male history and male achievement.

I actually laughed out loud at this. Are you trying to say that men calling each other a slang term for female genitalia as an insult proves misogyny DOESN'T exist?

We're through the looking glass now, people!

Privilege isn’t about each individual though, it’s about the nature of system overall and how society works.

Male Privilage is a thing - but of course it doesn’t mean all males do better than females. It means society treats males more positively on the whole.

Just like being white in this country brings a level of white privilege. Being born into money brings with it privilege. But that doesn’t mean that a wealthy, white male wont still end up struggling in life.