Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

Harry flew Over to see his father when it was first announced he had cancer, called the paps and then did an interview with US media once he got back. Is it any wonder they don’t want to meet up with him. He can’t seem to do anything without a fanfare or drama. It’s really a sad. Had his last visit gone under the radar I reckon they would have been more open to reconciliation this time but every time Harry had any interaction with the RF it gets reported. I do agree the lot of them should be abolished tho. It’s a disgusting waste of wealth.

Agree that Diana was young - but she chased Charles. She definitely knew what she was getting into, but also didn't have the mental stability to deal with the coldness of a royal marriage. And desperately wanted to be loved by a man who just couldn't.

I don't doubt she didn't realise how unhappy she would be. But she was, without any doubt at all, quite mental.

And I actually admire Camilla for remaining dignified and never showing how very hurt and humiliated she must often have felt. The disgusting names the press called her, years and years of abuse, all the comparisons with the younger and more glamorous Diana. Whatever else, she clearly loves him and he clearly loves her.

I agree with this. Charles did the same thing, called his parents cold and uncaring. So did Fergie. But even she is back in from the cold, because she stands by her perv ex husband. The lesson to us all is that disloyalty is the worst crime of all. Anything else can be forgiven. Even re: the abdication. All evidence now shows that Wallus Simpson was used as a scapegoat to get rid of an unsuitable King. So all the ' oh poor Edward was led astray by an evil woman' and George vi died of the stress of it all, more likely the Royals bred a nasty piece of work, probably a fascist to impose on us as Head of State and he had to be removed. Then 60 a day George died of cancer.

Well, that's what happens when you shag the heir to the throne when you're both married with kids. Fuck around and find out in action.

And I would suggest that even though she's never done any tell all interviews etc Camilla is still very adept at controlling the narrative, she's just more sleekit about it.

@strangewomenlyinginponds I agree all those things happened, but my interpretation of them is different, Diana was 19, very very mentally vulnerable and then shafted by the lot of them- her personality disorder isn't some type of moral flaw, it's just something she had, same with bulimia (like many women living in the public eye). Her PD, bulimia and endless affairs are what happens if you take a very vulnerable young woman who isn't mentally stable and ask them to be a great wife to a rather cold 32 year old who is in love with someone else. I'm sure with a different partner, and with a proper love match, she may have had troubles and MH problems, but not of the magnitude she ended up having.

And are we really still using words like 'mental' in 2024?

Yep 👍🏻

@Americano75 I also agree, she was mentally vulnerable, that's not a moral failing or somehow makes her a 'bad person', plenty of people at 19 have MH problems, they go to CAMHS, they get therapy, they have their supportive families- she had neither a supportive family or a loving husband, and unfortunately this worsened her MH issues rather than them getting better over time. She also probably needed better medication, psychiatric care and love and support. Not to be tutted at and thought of as 'crazy Diana'. She wasn't a perfect person, but if the onus is on universities to support students with MH issues from 18-22 or whatever, surely the onus was on the RF to provide help for her, not act like she was mad for wanting a husband who loved her.

Harry is a grown man, not a teenage boy. It was tragic his mother died when he was so young and it is sad for him this his parents had an unhappy marriage. However, he was given access to plenty of help and therapy and do not excuse his childish tantrums, petulant behavior and traitorous actions which are not a consequence of his past or others actions. rather in my view are part of his character and those with whom he associates. I have no sympathy for Harry, but do have a lot of sympathy for KC111 and William to have such a traitorous viper in their nest. He is just monetizing victimhood - clearly leant from the best there.. Cry me a river

Wallis Simpson and Edward were both Nazi sympathisers. Yes Edward was very much unsuitable to be the head of state in the late 1930s. Wallis was not a scapegoat though.

I'll add petulant manchild.

To all the posters saying "oh but he was a victim" what a load of hogwash. Charles was a 32 year old man when he proposed to a teenage Diana.

Yes I agree prince Harry is just petulant. He was protected and behaviour excused because well he was a prince, it's like he can't function as an adult that he claimed he wanted to be.

I think as a loving father (not King), KC comes across as worse than selfish. But going from what I've read about his childhood and adult life, I don't think he ever was or knows how to be a loving father. So, ignoring Harry on this visit is understandable from that viewpoint.

As for those saying that, Harry deserves it for speaking out. Well, maybe that too is right. If he had wanted to live the rest of his life in pain and foe his wife to be continually put down by the media, with Queen Consort Camilla aiding them, then yeah, he should have shut up and put up with it.

Luckily, he didn't. If the price of that is to be left out in the cold, then I'm sure he will soon learn to live with that, too. As sad as that might be.

Also, to be fair, it suited the narrative of the misogynistic right wing media, and still does in some quarters, to exaggerate Diana’s mental vulnerabilities and lack of academic prowess.

Her former press secretary for seven years Patrick Jephson said she was extremely resilient, savvy, professional and energetic when doing her job.

And Clive James, a highly intelligent man himself, but definitely not a member of the British establishment said of Diana,

“Of all the poisonous dreck ever written about Diana in the newspapers,” he wrote, “the most despicable was based on the assumption that she was stupid.”

Can I laugh now?

Of course, there are always two sides to every story. Which is why it's surprising when people talk about Harry's interviews but omit the "why" he did it?

Somehow, Harry was all wrong, and the RF was all right. Doesn't make sense. But hey-ho.

When you have cancer you don’t have the mental energy for other crap such as whiny, petulant, back stabbing sons however much you still love them.
As for the rest of the diana / camilla situation it was a tragedy all around led by an attempt to conform with out dated duty. I don’t excuse adultery at all but in this situation I understand it.

Are you suggesting Harry gets cancer so he can have his father's affection? 🤔

@Hairychops77892 I agree, Diana coped relatively well in many ways, there aren't many times where she was too ill or her behaviour too outrageous in those early years, and she clearly wasn't stupid or unengaging quite the opposite, she was charismatic, engaging and seemed to find reasonably intelligent men wherever she looked! Once they were divorced, the gloves were off in all quarters, with their rival books etc.

Precisely.
Charles had to marry a virgin, if he’d married Camilla we’d have had Andrew next on the throne, god help us. Diana’s family and Lord Mountbatten manipulated the whole situation and neither Charles or Diana could back out. Diana was far from an innocent, wronged ingenue, she had several affairs that were publicly known.
Charles was a product of how royalty and the gentry raised their children 70+ years ago. It’s all very well to criticise and blame now but that’s how it was.
I knew of children sent to boarding school at 5 who rarely saw their parents for the next 12 years, their parents were in the military and posted abroad. That wasn’t unusual either.

Of course they are cold. The upper classes are notoriously cold and awful. Best avoided at all costs.

Talking of people who dished the dirt, Penny Junor's book was widely known to have been based on King Charles' side of the whole Diana affair with all his friends and spin doctor contributing, she was his mouthpiece and so it's not true he never dished the dirt.

He does seem a bit stuck emotionally. I don’t think his actions against the RF and media have helped him much

Charles had to marry a virgin I'm not sure who decided on this, his father perhaps? He certainly dated and proposed marriage to several women prior to Diana, who all turned him down, and they weren't all virgins by any stretch.

Boris Johnson was not the head of state. Putin and Trump are/were.