Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

Charles behaved appallingly. We know he did. No need for speculation or detective work. Extraordinary how the GBP decided to forgive him.

All of this. Harry made his choices. He's now living with the consequences. That's life.

Charles didn't seem cold when he spoke about his beloved daughter in law, following her cancer diagnosis.

Harry is the issue here. He's made horrendous choices and as an adult, he's now reaping the rewards of his choices.

By no means is Charles being selfish. He is being fair.

The fact that Harry is so vilified in the press makes me think there is a smear campaign going on in the background to feed it.

He’s conducted his very own smear campaign. Nobody made him do the Oprah interview or put his name to Spare. He’s done that all by himself.

Or Putin.

Both C & D had affairs during their marriage.
C & Cs marriage wasn't the case of KCs relationship with Harry breaking down.
The cause was Harry repeatedly, publicly slagging off his family, giving details of private conversations and not recognising that a married man should accept financial responsibility for his family and not expect hands out from his father whilst badmouthing and criticising him.

Harry has shown himself to be untrustworthy and unable to respect anyone else's privacy (whilst being vocal about protecting his privacy) therefore why would anyone want to engage with him?

I have no doubt that if he visited Catherine within days he would divulge exactly what she was being treated for, her state of physical, emotional & psychological health at the time of his visit & all or any other private information.
That's why he's kept at arms length he's untrustworthy.

Harry takes after his mother, and not in a good way.

Agreed. He is completely untrustworthy and, quite frankly, lacking in basic decency. No member of his family will ever be confident that what they discuss with him or what he learns on family visits will not be broadcast to the world via his books or TV interviews.

Is there a good way? Just like is it a good thing that William takes fully after his father? Rotten apples and trees and all that…

How can any of us say - we have no idea what’s gone on behind closed doors!

that’s because narcissists have a public image to uphold - if he talks then they’d hate that! So they have to be seen to be NC as they can then deny anything saying ‘we have had no contact’ . Typical narcissistic self preservation at any cost

I agree with this.

They are a dysfunctional family and their generations of dysfunction appear in history books for all to see.

The queen was aloof with her children, though she clearly loved them, I wonder if they truly felt the warmth of that love. For kids love is a feeling, an experience, it is very often not there the way it should be in otherwise “functional” families.

Charles is a product of the dysfunction, the same as Harry is.

Having grown up in a dysfunctional family I did a bit of a Harry when our family broke down. Not in the way he did it but I did speak loudly about the dysfunctional dynamics in the family. I did it because I naively hoped there would be change. (There was a lot of narcissistic behaviour and there was carpet swept incest in my family). It obviously didn’t work but I do see what Harry was trying to achieve. Some families cannot be spoken to, Harry clearly tried that approach first but they literally cannot hear through their dysfunction. I think Harry and Meghan clearly have their own issues but they were not wrong about the issues in the RF.

Basically they're a very dysfunctional family. Charles was brought up in a very formal and cold way. I think he had a miserable childhood. I think he's simply not capable of being a warm, affectionate father. I have nothing against them as people but I have no idea why people look up to them. Sadly I feel the monarchy may have run its course.

It's amazing, isn't it? An excellent ghost writer was involved, and it's still shit.

Mind you, the opening chapter of Scobie's Endgame (available free online) is beyond comedy bad, so maybe they all attend the same literature & creative writing classes.

I wouldn't be overly keen on seeing someone who has slagged me off in numerous interviews, a book and a netflix documentary either. Even my own child. It's difficult to come back from that. You'd never be entirely confident that what you said wouldn't end up being used as publicity for the next venture.
Princess Diana was no saint when it came to affairs either.
I'm absolutely not a Charles fan. I'd rather see the monarchy go now the Queen is dead. However, he's not 100% at fault for everything.

I think a lot of this is the press and people obsessed with the RF on both sides who have been cheering on a family breakdown for either clicks or entertainment. Both of them have behaved poorly, but all this guff about ' oh everything Charles says will ge on Netflix' and hidden Mike's etc. They have met several times and nothing has got out in the press. The tabloids otoh have made shit up in inverted commas as if its the truth. Its very sad for both of them if Charles dies and there is no reconciliation. But strangers getting second hand outraged over something the tabloids have fed them isn't helping either of them at all.

Even if a child of mine wrote a tell all book about my family, I would be upset but I would be looking to build bridges. I would find 30 min to have a quick cuppa. Of course not even attending the 10 year anniversary of Invictus games would be hurtful for Harry.

Harry has handled all the upset very badly and in a way where everyone feels betrayed, but he's also been very punished, excluded and so on. I'm not sure William has any great claim to moral behaviour himself, but he's in the fold, and so this is not held up to scrutiny.

Harry's problem is he told his truth about them all, and they will never forgive him. That's what type of people they are- hide it, don't wash your dirty linen in public and say one thing and do the other (affairs, sexual indiscretions, being head of the Church). He broke the code and his dad doesn't even want to speak to him.

And we had Boris Johnson despite having a royal family. Your point is?

Charles didn't seem cold when he spoke about his beloved daughter in law, following her cancer diagnosis that's because she's quiet, silent and doesn't cause trouble, for which she is rewarded.

When you have kids, you pretty much try to love them even if you don't like them. I do feel Harry is awful, his dad is awful, but I don't like this excessive scapegoating as if Harry is the only dysfunctional one and everyone else is lovely and caring.

Imagine if Mumsnet started a daily TV programme and used examples of stories on here inviting the member to spill all on TV.

The damage would ripple out to innocent people.

Harry should have saved his venting for the shrink.

Frankly if I was his wife I'd be sick of it by now.

Diana fucked around - a lot. There was a secret entrance she was known to use to get her lovers in and out of the palace.

She once sat in a car outside an ex lover's house all night phoning his home and hanging up again. She knew he was there with his wife.

She was bulimic and self harmed and once threw herself down a flight of stairs while pregnant.

She mocked one of her nannies who'd just had a miscarriage, she thought it was Charles's kid - no evidence for that. She had another nanny sacked because Will loved her.

This is all well established fact. There's plenty more she got up to as well.

She behaved like an insanely jealous woman desperate for attention, validation and love who could not bear feeling rejected. She would make deep friendships really quickly, then ditch them at any perceived slight.

She also appeared to be often kind, to love her sons and to sometimes have a big, warm and charitable heart.

But enough with the poor Diana fairy tale. Being married to her must have been a fucking nightmare.

If she was around today doing the same things she was doing back then I'd be shocked if she wasn't diagnosed with at least one personality disorder.

And back then, her behaviours were kept far quieter. If the internet had been around and smart phones she'd have been up shit creek without a paddle.

Charles was undoubtedly quite reserved, probably not a great husband, and he definitely loved another woman.

Under the thumb of the Queen and the monarchy he did the wrong thing and married a young woman who was pretending to be normal, lighthearted and malleable. Diana was none of those things.

When he realised it couldn't work he should have just told her he didn't love her and was planning to start seeing Camilla again. Perhaps he did, none of us know.

Camilla was and is very clearly the love of his life - the main thing he did wrong was to give into pressure to give her up and try to be a husband to Diana.

Charles has many faults, but she was a disaster.

Harry was a little shit years ago, when he wore spurs and slashed his horse deliberately when playing Polo - NOBODY else on the field wore spurs. When he wore a Nazi uniform to a party. When he was known for sitting in a bunker playing on the PlayStation while the real soldiers defended him. When he screwed around, got pished and fell into pools, did drugs and generally acted like an entitled little Hooray Henry. He was still a little shit when he squawked and squealed about how terrible his deeply privileged life was.

He's a lying little oik who threw his family under the bus because he thought he was special. Now he knows he was only special because his family protected him and he was born into great good fortune.

He's realising to his cost that he now has nobody. His wife has left him to return to England all alone at least four times since she encouraged him to slag them off in public in their Netflix special.

Hope it was worth it, because when she ditches him, he's truly fucked.

He's proven he's the sort of person who will write books about private family arguments - Willy shoved me and broke my necklace! Willy's going bald now, ha ha- and other such classic quotes (I didn't read the book, absolutely never will, but the quotes were all over the internet).

Harry will never again be allowed to enter the inner sanctum and it's not about spite - he just cannot be trusted. None of them can let him anywhere near him.

Charles, selfish? Maybe. Harry, an entitled little shit? Absolutely. And his long dead mother a nightmare and total loon? Indisputably.

Time Harry grew up. The Monarchy will be lucky to have one more king, it's on its last legs (not that I care) and a lot of that is down to Ginge and Whinge and their hysterical fairytales.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-taunted-lover-oliver-13229537
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/princess-diana-boyfriends-lovers
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7624858/princess-diana-devastated-prince-william-adored-nanny/
https://www.womanandhome.com/life/royal-news/princess-diana-used-princess-margarets-secret-path-to-hide-lovers-at-kensington-palace/

Of course King Charles is selfish - he has been brought up to believe he is born to rule over us. It is like complaining that Usain Bolt runs fast. It is baked into who he is.

Are people really believing that KC has cut Harry off?

Surely Harry's behaviour has meant that this was inevitable? He's completely untrustworthy and a liability to the RF?

I'd be taking his titles off him as well. He wanted to break free so let him go.

Camilla has entered the chat!

Seriously though, I was never a fan of Diana (or the royals still) but the older I get the sorrier I feel for her. Royally fucked over at the age of 19. No pun intended.