Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

I think Charles is probably selfish and entitled to a degree, as an upper class, old school male and royal to boot, I wouldn’t expect anything else. At the same time he hasn’t had it easy. Being stinking rich saves him from some kinds of misery but he’s had a very odd life, waiting until his 70s to fulfil a massive expectation and being pushed around regarding who he could marry etc. he’s tried to do good in his own way, with his environmental and inter-faith interests etc. But he doesn’t really have the right personality and skills to be a monarch in the same way Elizabeth did.

Harry has behaved appallingly, but I think that’s his own (unwise) approach to kicking back at the restrictions and expectations. It’s probably like a normal messy family scenario with fallouts and feuds and black sheep and flouncing etc, but on steroids because of the pressure, publicity and wealth exacerbating everything.

This is all 'sliding doors' moments though, isn't it? Would Andy have been the person/reputation he is now if he'd had a purpose in life, rather than being an indulged spare part?

Charles started up again with Camilla after Diana and James Hewitt (and several more). They were totally incompatible. But the Queen Mother forced it on them.

If they’re full of lies then yes.

Those of us around in the 80s and 90s know that there were two sides to the story, and Diana was by no means blameless.
And Harry has publicly trashed his entire family, so there's two sides to that too.
None of us know what goes on in families, but OP's assessment of the King is unnecessarily harsh and one-sided

That'd be an interesting film 😂

Quite. There comes a time when everyone has to grow the fuck up and move on. Including all the people who keep harping on about Diana, who was killed by a drunk driver and not Charles! We all have dysfunctional families. Why Harry is so stuck, I've no idea.

Couldn't agree more OP. This is a very bad look for KC. Didn't he okay a biography where he openly criticised the queen and the way he was brought up? Tell-all books for the Windsors are hardly new.

Not exactly forced. He could have given up his 'royalty' and stood down from being in line for the throne. He chose royalty over love. Same with Princess Margaret.
Totally. Royals have abdicated before and the world didn't end. It's called having integrity.

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I think people need to stop banging on about Charles and what he apparently did to Diana.

And it’s easy to say he should have stepped down, should have given up his place etc, but how easy is that really?

So Charles had an affair. Meh. He actually wasn’t permitted to marry the woman he loved. He should never have married Diana.

And Diana was no saint, she had an affair while she was married also and shagged around with impunity after the divorce, including with other women’s husbands.
But the ones who have the most to answer for is the media. To them people are fair game, doesn’t matter what lies they make up, by the time the apology comes the damage is done. Just look at what’s happened with Kate recently and how the media have forced her into admitting she has cancer along with the speculation about what might or might not be happening in her life, speculation which just fuels the quite frankly ludicrous bollocks that the conspiracy theorists thrived on.

The media are making things worse by publishing when Harry is or isn’t seeing Charles. Frankly the press need to shut the fuck up and perhaps then they’d sort things out, or not sort things out, in their own time and in their own way.

That’s true. Having to step in and be King could have been the making of him I suppose. But he was dating Koo Stark at the time of Charles’ wedding to Diana.

That book was awful. Badly wriiten and petulant

Harry has made his bed and can jolly well lie in it. We all have choices - his choice was to play the petulant victim and slag off his family. Can't blame his family for wanting nothing to do with him - any contact they do have is likely to end up as Netflix content anyway, so...........

The media wouldn't do this stuff if it didn't sell papers. The public devour scandal. And then judge. It must be crap living with that (despite the money).

Harry isn’t ‘full of lies’. Even if you don’t believe his personal ‘behind closed doors’ stories, there’s plenty to say how ill treated he’s been by his parents and the public since he was a child. Imagine spending your childhood not only watching your parents cheat on each other, openly show distain, divorce, interviews about said cheating and how the woman who would become your future step mother/queen was instrumental in the marriage being a failure from day one and to top it off how all of this had the supposedly Royal loving Brits question your heritage and turn your right to be seen as a Royal at all into a crude joke?

He has been mistreated by two selfish parents, putting all royalty aside. He has a right to say ‘I was screwed up by people who should have had my back, especially knowing my whole life from the moment I was born would be scrutinised’. I don’t think anyone has the right to tell him or anyone who had a rough childhood to ‘shut up and get over it’ however ‘diamond shoes too tight’ it’s seems to MN (or fuckwits like Piers Morgan).

I disagree.

Forgiving Harry means that Harry accepting that he’s done something wrong, and I’m not convinced that Harry feels that way. If they did the Oprah interview and that was the actual “ last word “ (Meghan’s actual words during the Oprah interview) then things might have been salvageable but it’s been multiple attacks with possibly more to come with Harry’s other books that he’s under contract to write etc so I think it’s game over. You’re also assuming that he wants to reconcile - maybe he’s much happier in California where he feels less controlled than his UK life ?

If Charles had seen Harry then he would have sold that info to US TV or Omid and making the soap opera continue. Not seeing him keeps things calmer and it’s best that the media focuses on the “work” done by Sussexes and Windsors rather than the family drama. (Grey rock)

I agree that Harry has had a strange upbringing as a royal and I hope that if you really think that then you aren’t critical about the Wales’ working much less than Charles so that the kids can have an upbringing closer to normal 21st century.

The affair was decades ago. While it will have affected William and Harry, some people seem keen to hold onto this grudge when in real life, if people were still this bitter decades later then people would be highly concerned and suggesting therapy. Diana had her share of her affairs and likely very relieved to be divorced. Charles and Camilla have been married longer than Charles and Diana and both the Spencers and Windsors have hopefully learned from that mistake.

Diana cheated first didn't she?

I was also on Harry's side until that Oprah interview (and still am re racism), because of his complaints about being financially cut off & RF removing his protection. How we had the best educational money could buy & was raised surrounded by the political elite without a sense of how it actually works is beyond me. And his entitlement is still mind blowing.

You mean the privileged old white man with the gold hat hoarding vast wealth? No I'm sure he's not selfish!

For those of you saying he should have married camilla you realise she married someone else first right? He went away as young men did in those days his ship had barely left the shore and she was married!

Diana was not perfect she cheated too and prior to her death they were (according to her sons) coparenting and getting on better

He had mental health support growing up which is more than can be said for others who lost there parents young

Also look at where this is coming from king Charles has said in public on more than one occasion he hoped to see him soon harry tells the papers his dad doesn't make time for him we don't know just how accurate that is did he even try and see him? Last time he flew in his dad made time for him and still the allegations rolled out "harry didn't want camilla there" "harry was furious she was there" etc etc where is all that coming from?

Regardless harry has made his bed with his constant gossiping to the press last time he saw him he was talking about him on good morning America the next day its no wonder they don't want to be around him

I think the royal family are a classic narcissistic family. Charles is probably a victim of that as much as anyone else. The Royal family is all about appearances, golden children and scapegoats.
The fact that Harry is so vilified in the press makes me think there is a smear campaign going on in the background to feed it. That’s what often happens to the scapegoat. Just read the relationship/family threads on here. They may be Royal, but they are just as susceptible to toxicity and dysfunction as the rest of us.

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Oh I agree the longer it went on the more petulant it got but what did come across clearly was that Charles was not that active as a parent and was more remote as what was normal for his rank though

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I think he’s actually told the truth - and that’s what the big problem is as once a scapegoat speaks out the rest of the family lose their minds

Lots of countries still have Royal families!

this is spot on.