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.... to be so upset about DS's 21st birthday

318 replies

Ladydriver110 · 06/05/2024 21:05

I am menopausal which is probably affecting how I feel about this but I am so upset and need to write it down to hopefully stop myself from going over and over it in my head.

I am an only child and a single parent to a DS who turned 21 today. I live half a mile from my mum who has given me a huge amount of support raising my DS right from birth. He's got a bedroom at her house and has always stayed there a lot. For the last couple of years he's stayed there most nights - he says it's because she has much better wifi for his gaming - but I think he also likes that she does everything for him (cooking, laundry etc) being the doting grandma that she is. DS is ND and almost certainly has ADHD so needs a lot of support and 'management'. He also has a tendency to be thoughtless and irresponsible so maybe my expectations are too high.

In preparation for DS's birthday I spent an enormous amount of time, thought, effort and money planning birthday gifts. I filled a bag with a combination of small bits (like toiletries), special things related to his special interests (some of which I had commissioned to be specially made), and a box containing a decent amount of cash, all lovingly wrapped. There was also a very large and extremely heavy unwrappable gift that wasn't going to be a surprise because DS had chosen it himself, really expecting that it would be his only gift because of its cost. I took the bag of wrapped gifts to my mum's house yesterday ready for us all to get together today, and I put it out of sight.

Present-unwrapping has always been a Big Thing in our small family. Even on Christmas Day, we'd wait for my DM to come over before opening our gifts. Generally we only do token gifts for adults, so events have always been centred around my DS. I was really looking forward to giving DS his surprise gifts, making sure that the best ones were saved for last, seeing his face when he opened the special ones, explaining why and how some of them were designed and made, wanting to see him excited and happy, and taking a few photos of it all. It was especially significant because I'd pushed the boat out for DS's special birthday, and it could well be the last one where there would be real substantial gifts.

DS went out last night and wasn't sure about when or if he'd be coming home. I thought that if he didn't come home, I'd go to my mum's for lunch as usual and take the final heavy gift with me. It appears that he stayed out and went directly to DM's house, with a friend in tow, some time this morning.

At noon I got a phone call from DS asking me if I was coming over for lunch soon. "Happy birthday" I said. "I'm on my way" I said. "Can't wait to see you open your prezzies" I said. "Already opened them" he said. "Nan said I could" he said. I thought he was having me on, but no. He really had opened everything without me being there. I was terribly upset and didn't believe that my mum would have okayed this at all - and I made this very clear to him.

I dragged the big gift down to the car and set off, only to see DS driving away in the opposite direction. He refused to acknowledge me when we passed. At DM's house I walked in and asked (quite angrily, I admit) if she'd told DS he could open his gifts. She responded equally angrily to say yes, what was she supposed to say - no? We had a short but rather loud exchange where I pointed out that I was only five minutes away and all I needed was a phone call, and she told me not to shout at her in her own home and to get out.

I don't think it was right for my DM to give DS my gifts, and it was more than thoughtless of both of them to sit around (with mum's partner and DS's friend), having a jolly time opening gifts and admiring the special ones without me. I am tremendously upset on two counts:

  • after all my anticipation, I missed out on the joy and pleasure of watching my only child receive all the things I'd carefully planned and bought. I missed the whole essence of the birthday experience (DS wouldn't hang around afterwards, he doesn't do 'social', he'd be back in his room on his xbox minutes after gift time).
  • my presence was so unimportant that I just wasn't missed. No-one cared enough to make a quick phone call. I feel so hurt.

AIBU?

OP posts:
penjil · 07/05/2024 18:11

He's 21, he's an adult and has been for 3 years.

Both you and your Mum should start treating him like one, and not indulging him like a spoilt 6 year old.

YouAreLiveOnTelevisionPleaseDoNotSwear · 07/05/2024 19:26

CowboyJoanna · 07/05/2024 16:27

OP why are you calling your son ND? Autistic isn't a dirty word you know.
And it doesn't mean he's a little kid.

Her son has ADHD as far as I read. But I agree

Cherryon · 07/05/2024 22:00

BruFord · 07/05/2024 15:45

@Cherryon Did you get that impression? I thought that the OP said that she’s tried to encourage her DS to do things like cook a simple meal, but he refuses. Yet he can learn to drive and work, presumably because he wants to.

Whereas her Mum just does everything for him and doesn’t encourage him to gradually learn these crucial life skills. The problem is that one day, this older lady won’t be around to do this for him.

That's the impression I had from the OP’s posts, I could be wrong.

Often refusal is because they can’t as they haven’t been taught in a way that includes the aids they need to succeed. Cooking is a challenge for both autistics or ADHD sufferers- when you have both it’s not an easy thing to do. The disabilities of an AudHD person is like all other disabilities not due to “not wanting” to.

I got the same impression from the OP that her mum doesn’t do anything for him to gradually learn these skills…but he has not lived at home for 2 years so I have taken that with a grain of salt OP probably knows next to nothing about what goes on behind closed doors. Her DS could be assisting now and then or cooking simple things for all she and we know. And even if he isn’t, so what? He is focussed on the more important life skill of holding down a job. He has time to learn the rest.

Oblomov24 · 07/05/2024 22:36

Op does have a point here. Her son drove past her. Without a care. That's odd, worrying, about his lack of awareness.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 07/05/2024 22:46

Oblomov24 · 07/05/2024 22:36

Op does have a point here. Her son drove past her. Without a care. That's odd, worrying, about his lack of awareness.

He drove past the woman who'd just had a go at him on the phone and called him a liar

He was removing himself from a situation before it escalated, which it did since OP had to be asked to leave her DM's home

grinandslothit · 08/05/2024 00:29

Cherryon · 07/05/2024 15:25

But someone with autism and ADHD can require accomodation for their disabilities in the form of scaffolding- where day to day life admin is sorted for them like meals, bills, laundry while they pull their weight doing other just as valuable things in a partnership- working, running errands, childcare, - whatever their strengths are.

To tell him he will be a “nightmare” because of things he will always struggle with or perhaps never master due to autism and ADHD is unbelievably cruel and ableist.

It is no different from telling a wheelchair using child they will be a ‘nightmare’ for any future partner because they can’t ‘take care of themselves’

What's the difference between acommodation and coddling?

anon4net · 08/05/2024 00:45

I completely understand why you are upset @Ladydriver110 it's more than just the presents it's not being thought of or included in something that is very meaningful for you.

I will say I wonder if this is the perfect time to acknowledge the other, what seem like bigger, issues to me. Your ds is living with Granny (does he pay rent?) having her do everything for him? Cooking? Cleaning? Laundry? Does he help her?

I mean this with much kindness, it's time he grow up and you and Granny need to be on board to make that happen. He was able to do what he was b/c he hasn't had to grow up and think of others. He sounds like he leads a very entitled life. You aren't a bad Mum, I'm sure you've been a doting Mum all his life. And now it's time to change the relationship you have with him for the better. It's time he starts to stand on his own two feet and takes more responsibility - it will help him begin to think of others and appreciate his family.

Robinni · 08/05/2024 09:08

Ladydriver110 · 07/05/2024 14:56

I think that DS did have the politeness, and that's why he asked if he could have his gifts straightaway. I was only a bit annoyed with him that he should have thought a bit harder about who the gifts were from. Mostly, I was upset and didn't react well in the moment. I didn't tell him off, I told him I was upset. I didn't exactly accuse him of lying, I said I couldn't believe that my mum would have okayed everything, which is exactly what I did think. DS has extensive form for remembering things that didn't happen and forgetting things that did. He's well known for it, and most of his (frequent) arguments with my mum are when he blames her for things she didn't do (like losing his car keys).

DS has a part-time minimum wage job and makes enough to contribute to his living costs and run two cars, albeit he has to have an interest-free loan from me to pay his car insurances.

@Robinni thinks that basically your son has additional needs and couldn’t get the support he needed at home which is so far from reality as to be laughable. He comes to me for pretty much everything except occasional meals, laundry and leisure/gaming equipment which I decline to pay for. Don't underestimate how much support an autistic young person needs as well as the effort required to try to get that young person to become independent and stay in work without getting fired. This is all off-topic so not worth further elaboration.

@Ladydriver110

Have you ever considered that you might be ND, I am asking due to your communication style which is detailed and elaborate, inability to adapt and cope with unexpected changes to plan, lesser emotional regulation than would be expected for your age (unable to can your upset in front of son; it all tumbled out), and due to the fact that you are fixated on your own perspective.

Your son also shows lack of theory of mind, he wasn’t thinking about all the emotion you had caught up in these gifts or that you would have preferred to have been there for the opening…. He was fixated on his own agenda - I’m 21, I want to open the presents quickly and get out and enjoy my day.

Your Mum was probably trying to handle him and knew she’d be facing him being irritable or agitated all morning if he couldn’t get ‘step 1’, opening of presents, completed ✔️

You need to deploy a filter and not spill out exactly what you think. Instead of ‘happy birthday son, I hope you liked your gifts, what are you going to do with your day, can I come see you etc”…. He was met with complaints regarding his presents and your not being able to derive pleasure from them, followed by an attack on his grandmother….. the woman who has taken on responsibility for his and meets all of his needs (that he really cares about - special interests). Which one of you do you think he has more loyalty to?

I know you are probably worn out and the marathon it is to be parenting an autistic/to be one. I would employ as much emotional resilience as possible right now, put out the emotional fire - you can’t do anything to change what’s happened but you do have control over how you respond to this.

Smooth it over with your Mum, apologise for the overreaction, explain calmly what your expectations were and why you were disappointed, explain what you would like to happen in future, and thank her for what she does for your son.

In future try and keep things like that in your control - 21 is not the end…. There is 25, 30, 40… potential grandchildren’s birthdays and so on… towards his 30s he might move away from the games and cars.

Ring your son and apologise for getting upset, again calmly - but quickly - say you were a bit disappointed to miss seeing him open his gifts, ask if he liked them. Ask if he’d like to come out for the day and do something together… if it were me I’d be suggesting something like that gamer convention, or car show, or place you really love to eat. That way you can recapture the special time with him. If he says no, don’t be disheartened, there is Christmas coming and next year’s birthday; he doesn’t stop being special or your son due to a number. Above all don’t be bitchy or complain about your mother to him, take the higher ground and deal with issues direct with her - it isn’t fair to get him involved and it will create a divide between you and your son. If you can provide more for him at home in terms of what he needs that would solve the problem, however I can appreciate he is probably in a fixed routine now, dependent on your mother emotionally and that having her take some of the burden gives you respite, so do whatever works best collectively for you all.

Robinni · 08/05/2024 09:18

Ps @Ladydriver110

It might be better to post about issues relating to your son on the ND board in future.

A huge amount of responses regarding this matter are based on how a typical 21 year old should behave…. Expecting him to be capable of looking after himself, manage full time work, pay rent etc. As such much of the advice here is inappropriate, and you’ll be disregarding it.

The fact is he could be 25 or 30 by the time he is able to organise finances…. Only 22% of autistics are in any kind of employment…. many, like your son are only capable of part time. And he may always need some sort of support to manage life, from you and Gran now, possibly a partner or PA later.

Your son hasn’t done a thing wrong in this scenario. It sounds like you and Gran are under a lot of pressure and that boiled over with the heightened emotion of a special day.

rainbowstardrops · 08/05/2024 13:32

If I wanted DS home more, all I have to do is get fibre broadband (I have no plans to get fibre broadband).

My previous reply to you was that I'd be really upset too but that highlighted sentence seems a bit bizarre and worrying.
If you're implying that you don't particularly want your DS living with you and are more than happy for his grandmother to do your job for you then surely, she has the say so largely?

Lollypop701 · 08/05/2024 15:49

I get it op, my mum was working one Christmas morning and I opened all my presents. I re wrapped them and did it all over again when she got home once my dad bolocked me explained mum would want to see me enjoy my present opening. Don’t think she ever found out…..

Ladydriver110 · 08/05/2024 16:15

I didn't 'flounce off' yesterday, I said I didn't have any more time and I didn't. I was out for the rest of the day doing actual stuff away from a keyboard.

There have been lots of comments to respond to and I can't pick all of them up so I'm just going to do a random few in one huge post and maybe summarise a few things I've already written because I think they've been missed by some people.

Firstly, this thread was started because I was upset about being left out of something that I really wanted to be a part of. It was a relatively small event in the overall scheme of things, but it hurt so much not to be missed given that the other people involved were my closest family. Also, I thought that my DM was out of line giving MY gifts to MY DS in my absence and this put her largely at fault. Because I was so upset, I didn't handle my disappointment well in the moment. I mentioned that I was menopausal, which might be a factor in my emotional response. I mentioned that my DS is ND, which may or may not be relevant. I did not expect or want this thread to go off on a tangent about autism, as it has done.

Going back to the birthday itself, DS was mad with me for essentially criticising his judgement. But we got together later in the day and talked it through, quietly and calmly. He told me his point of view, and I listened. Then as soon as I explained why I was upset, he instantly understood and completely flipped his attitude. He was mortified to realise the effect of the morning's events. We spent a good 10 minutes hugging and reassuring each other that everything was fine and no apologies were needed. Then he disappeared off to spend the evening with his mates.

Other families apparently dislike 'performative' gift-giving, 'excessive' gifts and think that there is something wrong with 'playing along' when gift-givers want to watch. That's fine. You do you. But you don't get to tell other people that it's wrong for them when you have no idea what they like and what is normal for them. My DS knows that we love seeing him receive gifts and he likes to make us happy too. He plays along, we know he's playing along, he knows we know he's playing along, and so on. He does it to be nice. Where I come from, it's quite normal to do things just to be nice. And it's much warmer for him to do birthday things in the company of those who love him. I can tell you with absolute certainty that if he didn't want to open gifts in company and pose for the occasional photo, he wouldn't do it. Also, if he didn't want a pile of gifts he wouldn't keep telling me extra things he's thought of that he'd like for his birthday! (Mind you, his memory is so selective that he's most likely forgotten what he's already asked for - he even forgot about his big gift, which he requested and fetched from the shop himself). I also don't need telling that he's spoilt - I know that perfectly well. But he's a lovely, kind and generous person and I spoil him in ways that I am comfortable with. Unlike my mum, who spoils him in every way possible.

My gifts (apart from the cash) were small in value but either thoughtful or superficially a bit odd and in need of explanation, which I had aimed to do at the time. One that I had particularly wanted to see him receive was something I'd created myself using my almost-non-existent design skills and what basic functionality was available in Microsoft Word and Paint. It took hours of my time - it was fun, interesting and educational to do though - but cost less than £2 to have printed onto a coaster. Overall it was an amusing picture, but it was full of detail that was specific to DS's car. I also made an almost-identical one for DS's friend who has the same car but a newer model that is a different shape. As it turned out, friend was present on Monday so they got their coasters together. Apparently they were both tickled pink with their unique gifts, and played spot-the-difference. And I missed it all.

I know my DS really well and treat him like an adult who can make his own choices. He is a very intelligent young man and I know he is capable of great things. It just takes a huge amount of time and effort to get him to engage with these choices, even critically important ones like sorting out his car insurance. I live in fear that he will lose his licence through an accumulation of points because some necessary document has lapsed (his current policy doesn't auto-renew and even if it did, he'd need to arrange payment) - it would literally be the end of the world, driving is the only thing he cares about. He doesn't open mail unless forced, doesn't read emails or read-and-remember text messages unless they are interesting, which insurance isn't. He won't do scheduling, calendars, reminders or anything that requires organisation. There are separate issues around checking the detail on insurance proposals to ensure that it is correct. The last thing we need is to pay thousands for insurance only to find it's invalidated for some technical reason leading to a cancelled policy (making future insurance unaffordable) and/or points for driving without insurance.

It's very patronising of people to suggest that DS isn't getting enough support or the right support. What part of "I've tried everything" is unclear? I have spent countless hours over the years researching different strategies, engaging with professionals and online fora with limited success. So far the only strategies that have worked at all have been ones that we've developed ourselves. One particular problem I have is that until VERY recently, DS refused to acknowledge that he was in any way different from the NT population and therefore in need of extra accommodations or support. But this thread was not supposed to be about supporting DS, which is why I didn't want to elaborate. I am perfectly capable of discussing autism-related issues in the appropriate place.

Am I ND? Quite possibly. I don't do people. I do do words. It's basically what I do for a living. That's why I have difficulty keeping it short and why I can't not be detailed (IYSWIM). I have superb planning and organisation skills and I love admin work. DS is the complete opposite. He is pretty sociable but his executive functioning is atrocious. Anyone who knows anything about autism knows that it affects different people in different ways. There are people on this thread who clearly do understand autism but equally there are a lot of people who clearly don't. It is not remotely helpful to tell me I'm babying my kid while you brag about your capable and successful 21-year-old children who are moving out or travelling around the world. I was starting a professional career and buying my own home at 21 too. But my DS won't boil a pan of spaghetti let alone pay a bill (notice I say won't, not can't).

Re acronyms, I don't have any problem with the word 'autistic' but ND is a common shorthand and covers a range of related and probably-unrelated conditions. Is it not acceptable to use the terms interchangeably? I didn't intend to be dismissive about other conditions by referring to 'alphabet soup' yesterday, but I don't know anything at all about conditions other than autism and ADHD (and I wouldn't consider myself an expert on those), so anyone who wants to list them is welcome to do so.

Some people must live in really dysfunctional families if they don't see that a tiny multi-generational family of 3 people can be very close, especially when (at least) one of us is autistic and family support is much needed and valued. It can't be all that unusual for a single middle-aged antisocial woman to be good friends with her mother. DM is not even that much older than me (she was practically a child bride). It's nothing to do with being 'enmeshed'. It's family.

My DM and I have always been close, more so since DS was born. She was desperate for a grandchild and has been like an extra parent, with my blessing. She has shared the load and supported me by making it possible for me to continue my career. I am not remotely jealous that DS now spends most of his nights there. It is very much like we all live together - just like a multi-generational family in the same house (and I know that is not rare though maybe more common in other countries) but where some of the rooms are half a mile apart. We're not together all the time, but we do have a detailed catch-up every day or so. So I do know exactly what DS is up to and what he is achieving even if I don't witness it personally. My DM is obsessed with DS, I wouldn't be surprised if she was taking notes about which days he was making his own breakfast.

I do think my mum is not doing DS any favours by doing every little thing for him. Of course I've tried talking to her about it, many times, but she won't change. I cannot force him to learn how to look after himself and there is no imperative for him to do so when he can stay there and be nannied. From his point of view, DS has the best of both worlds - he floats between houses getting housekeeper-type care from nan and PA-type care from me, with a big overlap for meal provision.

I'm out of time again, I'm expecting DS any minute (he's already an hour late, nothing new there) to spend some time prepping for a job interview tomorrow. I will try to find more time to respond to recent comments later but I will have to be selective because I really do have other things to do.

OP posts:
ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 16:25

That's a lot of words

And still you don't seem to understand you were in the wrong and you DO owe him and DM (who doesn't even get a mention) an apology. And that you're still making it all about you.

loropianalover · 08/05/2024 16:30

Oh come on OP… 🤦🏻‍♀️

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/05/2024 16:37

OP, you said, "I can tell you with absolute certainty that if he didn't want to open gifts in company and pose for the occasional photo, he wouldn't do it."

He didn't want to - did he? Because he didn't do it.

You're still not seeing it.

Ladydriver110 · 08/05/2024 16:49

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 16:25

That's a lot of words

And still you don't seem to understand you were in the wrong and you DO owe him and DM (who doesn't even get a mention) an apology. And that you're still making it all about you.

According to you, it's fine for DM to appropriate my gifts and pass them on and I should be calm and non-reactive in the seconds after I hear about it. My DS gets it and I have explained about apologising to him above.

I haven't mentioned DM specifically because I had other people to visit yesterday and haven't seen her yet. I still think she was in the wrong. You are welcome to your opinion. See Lollipop's comment above for how other people see it.

OP posts:
Ladydriver110 · 08/05/2024 16:52

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/05/2024 16:37

OP, you said, "I can tell you with absolute certainty that if he didn't want to open gifts in company and pose for the occasional photo, he wouldn't do it."

He didn't want to - did he? Because he didn't do it.

You're still not seeing it.

Yes, he did do it. In the living room with mum and guests. I just wasn't there.

OP posts:
Robinni · 08/05/2024 16:58

@Ladydriver110

Thank you for the long and detailed response, I’m not sure which parts were for me, I’m pretty sure others will have said similar.

It is so obvious that you and your mother love your son very much and have a set up that for the time being works and is supporting him to be able to manage work and aim towards developing a career. It’s no use fussing over him making pasta if he can’t earn to support himself. There are many young people being likewise supported to study/work for no reason whatsoever, it’s entirely reasonable.

Regards your post.

I mentioned that my DS is ND, which may or may not be relevant. I did not expect or want this thread to go off on a tangent about autism, as it has done.

I think him and potentially you being ND is very relevant and explains both how the situation occurred and both of your responses. Yours being extreme and his being completely unaware of your feelings.

Obviously you don’t want to be in this position again, so all you can do is try and keep things in your control and have strategies in place for you should you feel dysregulated. And for him to aid empathy.

I also really get the level of love and effort you put into your gifts, how you will have visualised things going in your head multiple times and the level of disappointment. It’s a shame it didn’t work out as planned, but no reason to have so much upset. There will be other times.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 17:01

Also

You made his friend a gift too and put it in your son's presents even though you didn't know for sure that friend would even BE there? What if friend hadn't been there? Would you have snatched the gift off son until friend came around?

Robinni · 08/05/2024 17:02

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 16:25

That's a lot of words

And still you don't seem to understand you were in the wrong and you DO owe him and DM (who doesn't even get a mention) an apology. And that you're still making it all about you.

@ButWhatAboutTheBees

If she is ND lack of theory of mind explains it, broken record syndrome….

You will literally get the same perspective repeatedly and the person won’t be able to see others point of view.

Very common and I struggle with it a bit myself!

(Just to say I completely understand that she as a mother wanted to be part of things, and she put a lot of effort in…. However she also made the decision to voluntarily leave the presents in her mothers house…. And she had a disproportionate and inappropriate response to missing their opening, upsetting her son on his birthday and having a haranguing match with her mother… it’s his 21st, having histrionics over missing out on your pleasure at seeing him open his presents on his day isn’t on… they were bought for him, he enjoyed them… end of story, it’s a shame she wasn’t there early enough, but c’est la vie)

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 17:05

Ladydriver110 · 08/05/2024 16:49

According to you, it's fine for DM to appropriate my gifts and pass them on and I should be calm and non-reactive in the seconds after I hear about it. My DS gets it and I have explained about apologising to him above.

I haven't mentioned DM specifically because I had other people to visit yesterday and haven't seen her yet. I still think she was in the wrong. You are welcome to your opinion. See Lollipop's comment above for how other people see it.

Ffs
She didn't "appropriate" your gifts. Your son knew they were off you! He asked if he could open them, she didn't give them him, he presumably saw the very well hidden bag sitting in the corner of the room

You were wrong to make his birthday about you and to shout at him about it!

And you have been awful to your DM. She had to ask you to leave her house and you haven't made the effort to speak to her/apologise? That's telling

Most people here agree you're unreasonable but do cling to the minority who think you're OK to ruin someone's birthday, make it about you and be so rude to your mother you have to be asked to leave

BruFord · 08/05/2024 17:11

@ButWhatAboutTheBees The OP did overreact, but I still think her family though, don’t you?

I mean, if one of my children saw a bag of gifts and the gift-giver was literally five minutes down the road, I’d probably call or text for them to come over, wouldn’t you? I don’t really understand why they didn’t.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 17:15

BruFord · 08/05/2024 17:11

@ButWhatAboutTheBees The OP did overreact, but I still think her family though, don’t you?

I mean, if one of my children saw a bag of gifts and the gift-giver was literally five minutes down the road, I’d probably call or text for them to come over, wouldn’t you? I don’t really understand why they didn’t.

If the gifts have been dropped off at the house, and no instructions have been left that gifter will be coming around at X time to be there for the opening, then I'd think they had been dropped off for me to open

Cherryon · 08/05/2024 17:15

grinandslothit · 08/05/2024 00:29

What's the difference between acommodation and coddling?

Accommodations are necessary supports that aid a person with disabilities (or disability) to be able to learn, complete a task or do a job.

Coddling is treating someone with excessive care

Catpuss66 · 08/05/2024 17:21

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 08/05/2024 16:25

That's a lot of words

And still you don't seem to understand you were in the wrong and you DO owe him and DM (who doesn't even get a mention) an apology. And that you're still making it all about you.

She was not in the wrong. She has a right to be upset by 2 adults in her family who had little thought for her feelings. She has done her owing he is over 20yrs of age & he has acknowledged his thoughtlessness. The whole post was about her that was the point, not about how to deal with autism or how to deal with her mother, it was about her feelings. Apart from anything where is your empathy she was upset & you pile on more guilt . Shame on you.

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