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12 year old wants to go to wedding where sister hasn't been invited

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Stuckinthemiddlewithnoone · 06/05/2024 16:39

Essentially we have declined an invitation to husband’s nephew’s wedding in the summer as he has not invited my 15 year old daughter (16 by the time of the wedding) from a long ago relationship. We simply declined without saying why.

Sister-in-Law asked if we were on holiday etc. so I told her the truth. She seemed very embarrassed as did mother-in-law. We were told that she would ask, well that was a month ago and we haven’t heard anything. Husband all along said he wouldn’t go anyway even if they changed their mind.

Now here is the AIBU! 12 year old wants to go. She has completely lost it saying that she has a right to make her own mind up and that elder sister isn’t related to cousin.

I have lost it back at her saying she needs to support her sister.

However, husband thinks we should let her go and we shouldn’t put her in the middle of this.

So, what would you lot do?

OP posts:
mrsdineen2 · 11/05/2024 15:03

SerafinasGoose · 11/05/2024 14:48

This is arrant nonsense. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

Really, if people blow up minor issues like this to such a disproportionate degree then it's no wonder so many insurmountable family estrangements are reported on this site.

That's if the posts are genuine, of course.

You'll never understand the irony of your opening sentence in the context of this thread.

StormingNorman · 11/05/2024 15:48

strangewomenlyinginponds · 11/05/2024 04:24

The OP caused the drama out of a sense of aggrieved entitlement.

She didn't have to wail and gnash her teeth - ever. She should not have told the girls about her choice to be a drama llama and should simply have politely refused and told nobody except her husband her reasons.

She wanted validation and caused a drama to try to get it. So she got a drama.

Now she has to deal with a very disappointed 12 year old who has every right to want to go to her family wedding and she's made her other kid feel absolutely horrible when she never had to know and cannot possibly understand that stuff like this happens all the time with weddings.

It probably can't be resolved now tbh. I was saying before that she should allow the 12 year old to go, as is her right, and take the other kid out somewhere nice - but she's caused a rift and pitted them against each other now, so she'll be dealing with this nonsense for years to come and neither of them will ever forget. They'll be moaning about it on Mumsnet in a decade, wait and see, my sister was always the favourite, my sister still has the shits with me, my mum caused a family rift.

Utterly stupid, the whole thing. The privilege of being able to pretend that not being invited to a wedding actually matters is off the scale.

You get to invite or not invite anybody at all to your wedding and the only response is to say thanks or no thanks. You don't get to control other people, only your own reactions to the things they do.

She should have kept her gob shut, but she didn't. Such is life.

what an unpleasant thing to say. It is a total misrepresentation of the situation. I don’t even know how you’ve managed to offload blame onto the OP; you have created an entirely fictional situation not based in the opening post.

Do you routinely exclude children from family events yourself? Is this why you are so invested in the groom not doing anything wrong?

Stuckinthemiddlewithnoone · 11/05/2024 15:53

Well the 12 year old is now going to the wedding, my husband has said that she is entitled to go if she wants to. She will go with her 84 year old grandmother and her uncle and share a room with cousins who are 13 and 15. She has then been asked to accompany her gran to her cousins' house 90 miles away for a few days. So she gets a holiday without her sister as well.

I feel as if I have been kicked in the guts.

While upset and angered my husband has always been of the view that while he won't go he felt she could go if she wanted to.

I have never posted about this before or on mumsnet ever! The scenarios in the other posts highlighted are nothing like my situation.

I was out when the invitation arrived and my husband opened it in front of both kids however, there would be no way of hiding this wedding from either of my kids, husband's family is close.

I said that we had met fiancee of nephew five times however, we see nephew a lot. The family are always dropping into MiL's since FiL died three years ago.

We declined the wedding without explanation but when groom's mother rang I told her the truth as I did to my MiL.

12 year old told her grandmother what was going down and MiL begged husband to let her go.

On Wednesday nephew rang husband and owned responsibility for not getting involved with wedding planning saying that his fiancee did not and I quote know what "your setup" was and suggested that we could all come in the evening. There wasn't any real apology however. Last night husband went out with two brothers one of whom is the groom's dad. He was apparently embarrassed about everything and blamed the new daughter-in-law. Again both begged him to let 12 year old go for their mother's sake.

15 year old is beyond upset about not being included in the invitation but doesn't want to see MiL again as she is embarrassed and said that sister may as well go as they are her family not the 15 year old's. This is the first time I have heard her say this.

Husband feels that not going to weddings at that age would get in the way of get togethers etc and thinks that 12 year old might need them in the future. He points out that only nephew is a prat about it, the other fifty or so would probably have invited her. The cousin getting married is the eldest and my 12 year old the youngest with 10 others in between.

12 year old felt that if she didn't go then the others might not invite her to anything else. She feels that she has a full sister while accepting that her family don't have to see this. She says she would support her sister if she needed anything but thinks she and I are being illogical.

I was shocked that the vote was so close with 2% more thinking I was unreasonable.

I don't want anyone saying this is a LTB situation, it isn't, I think him not going is proof of that.

OP posts:
Stuckinthemiddlewithnoone · 11/05/2024 15:55

I wanted to say one more thing, both of my girls have been to weddings before, so it was just about this family wedding, they weren't upset just because it was a free party.

OP posts:
StormingNorman · 11/05/2024 15:56

strangewomenlyinginponds · 11/05/2024 09:48

Lol. No, I really don't seem angry, and definitely not disproportionately. This is, again, projection.

I have been unsympathetic and blunt, and that's all. It's so bizarre you think that straight talk is angry - you must live an incredibly sheltered life, or just be a total wimp. Trust me if I was angry you would be in NO doubt at all.

I just don't suffer fools gladly, or beat around the bush with them.

You, however, are resorting to Grimm's Fairytales because you can't argue with what I've said 😅

Projection really is a thing. You are triggered by the situation for whatever reason, and are now enraged with me because you can't pick holes in my points.

You are the OP and I claim my 5 quid! 😆😃😂

So, once again for the cheap seats at the back - mum should have kept her trap shut. She moaned about it to relatives and has made her kids feel bad, and now is living with the drama she created.

For what seems like the five thousandth time - NOBODY has a right to be invited to a wedding. Ever. No matter what the circumstances.

The 12 year old should have been able to attend her family wedding. The 15 year old should have been taken out somewhere nice.

End.

Edited

You do seem angry and your language towards the OP is rude verging on abusive.

Is ‘keep your trap shut’ a normal thing for you to say? It is t something I would hear in my social circles.

drusth · 11/05/2024 15:57

So just an evening invite eh?

I’d go NC with the lot of them. DH can take 12yo to see them in future if he wants, I’d be bowing out.

12 year old told her grandmother what was going down and MiL begged husband to let her go.

What a two-faced cow MIL is. I thought she was embarrassed that 15yo wasn’t invited? That didn’t last long, did it?

crockofshite · 11/05/2024 16:02

It's a shame you feel so sick about it.

However your 12 yo definitely needs to be part of the celebrations, it's an investment in her future with her family.

Nephew and bride sound clueless. But they are only 1 in 10. I hope the other cousins are more human.

StormingNorman · 11/05/2024 16:02

strangewomenlyinginponds · 11/05/2024 09:07

I understand the reasons why the mum thinks her other daughter is entitled to be invited. But the truth is, she's not.

It might not be nice, but people can invite or not invite anybody to their wedding they want - for any reason, or none.

Mum could have chosen to keep silent and just say they couldn't go. Instead, she has embroiled her two daughters in a drama and pitted one against the other. She has caused her not invited daughter to feel sad and excluded. There was no need for any of this. It's just a wedding invite.

It's enormously entitled to think people owe you or your family an invitation no matter what the situation.

She should have remained silent on the topic and not dragged her kids into adult disagreements. But she was outraged and wanted validation.

It's too late now, I can't see how she can fix this tbh. Neither of these girls will forget this silly nonsense for a very long time.

Mum didn’t embroil the daughters in anything. She was the last to know. The invitation was opened by DH and the two children while mum was out.

She had no chance to decline the invitation without the girls finding out. They knew before she did.

Once again…

The girls were there when the invitation was opened. It has nothing to do with mum keeping silent about anything. They saw it with their own eyes.

Brontebythesea · 11/05/2024 16:02

In my family it’s normal to just have one cousin from each family invited as theres no way entire families could come affordability wise. However, if she’s the only one left out it does seem like in the spirit of it all she should have been invited. So I understand you not wanting to go.
however - what I don’t understand is why you’re placing so much on your youngest - she’s 12. You want her to have a grown up response to this. She’s a child going through a huge transition into puberty, and at this age we can all be a bit selfish and not see the picture - because we are children. You are the adult - she is the child. Start acting like it!!
also - Am I the only person who feels sorry for the bride? Wedding planning is stressful and now she’s got all this drama going down which she never envisaged. I doubt any offence was meant - a quick phone call could have sorted things out instead of created a huge drama. But that sounds like something a sensible person would do.

Mumtryingtolivethedream · 11/05/2024 16:04

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/05/2024 19:18

I think this is a but harsh, it is not the fault of the 12 year old. Why is it ok for the 15 year old to be devestated as she loves wedding but for the 12 year old not to be.

Because the 15yr old is probably more upset that they have been singled out as not being part of the family not the fact that she likes weddings and is missing out.

Nuttyputty · 11/05/2024 16:06

What a shit show of a family. Nor sure how the 12 year old will benefit from such a cruel and heartless lot. Although she doesn't seem very loyal herself. Why have relatives blamed the bride? Surely the nephew had a say in invites, and why didn't people have a word once they found out. Mil, bil and nephew??? Shocking behaviour towards a 15 year old girl who has been in the family since a toddler.

StormingNorman · 11/05/2024 16:07

strangewomenlyinginponds · 11/05/2024 10:08

Yes, exactly. She should have kept her trap shut. Just as I said,

"Sister-in-Law asked if we were on holiday etc. so I told her the truth. She seemed very embarrassed as did mother-in-law."

Imagine making people feel rotten about a wedding. Thoroughly selfish behaviour.

This is precisely what I was referencing, had to go back and read it again as there has been a lot of nonsense on this forum and I only skim read most of it.

Edited

Telling the truth isn’t moaning. She was asked a question and gave an honest answer.

No reason for the bride to feel rotten unless she knew excluding the eldest daughter was a dick move.

Mumtryingtolivethedream · 11/05/2024 16:08

Needanewname42 · 10/05/2024 11:40

Yes I know, but from the couples pov. If they have loads of step cousins they are maybe drawing the hard line no step cousins.
It's easy to say it's only one extra seat.

But if they both have 2 Aunites / Uncles and they all have step kids then it becomes easier to say - no step kids.

If you invite one but not another you get the argument "why did you invite Uncle Bob's step kid but not Uncle Jim's 2 step kids or Aunt Sally's 3 step kids."

Wedding lists are a complete nightmare. The line needs to be drawn somewhere.

But this stepchild lives with them permanently and he's been a dad to her for 13yrs she's not a weekend visit child.he's her father not biologically but in every other sense and that makes her his daughter he's offended on her behalf as he sees them as both his daughters and one is being intentionally left out

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:08

Where are you and your daughter going on holiday? I hope you have the best time. I’d happily to donate to that fund. Make it longer for the time your daughter is at the wedding as well. Give your husband and daughter a taste of what life without you both looks like, and how it feels when others don’t think about your feelings.

InterIgnis · 11/05/2024 16:14

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:08

Where are you and your daughter going on holiday? I hope you have the best time. I’d happily to donate to that fund. Make it longer for the time your daughter is at the wedding as well. Give your husband and daughter a taste of what life without you both looks like, and how it feels when others don’t think about your feelings.

So OP should hang the threat of abandonment over her daughter’s head because she’s dared to have a different opinion?

Also, it’s the 12 year old going on holiday.

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:16

InterIgnis · 11/05/2024 16:14

So OP should hang the threat of abandonment over her daughter’s head because she’s dared to have a different opinion?

Also, it’s the 12 year old going on holiday.

No I’m suggesting the 15 year old and her mum book a special trip away for just the two of them while her husband and other daughter are off on their jolly. If the younger daughter is happy enough to be cared for by grandparents etc, I’m sure she’ll be fine being looked after by her dad for a few extra days

Nicebloomers · 11/05/2024 16:17

I still think it’s a rum do. I feel bad for you and your daughter. Outsiders forcing differences on your children is very poor form.

InterIgnis · 11/05/2024 16:20

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:16

No I’m suggesting the 15 year old and her mum book a special trip away for just the two of them while her husband and other daughter are off on their jolly. If the younger daughter is happy enough to be cared for by grandparents etc, I’m sure she’ll be fine being looked after by her dad for a few extra days

The husband isn’t going, it seems.

I’m not sure why OP should display favouritism towards her eldest in order to punish her youngest for having a different perspective to her.

DoreenonTill8 · 11/05/2024 16:21

InterIgnis · 11/05/2024 16:14

So OP should hang the threat of abandonment over her daughter’s head because she’s dared to have a different opinion?

Also, it’s the 12 year old going on holiday.

Its quite scary the nastiness some posters are cooking up to be nasty to the 12 yo, rather than just 'you and 15yo go away too for some nice time' it's the "do it to show them what life will be like with out you" bloody hell.

RitaIncognita · 11/05/2024 16:21

Nephew and bride sound clueless. But they are only 1 in 10. I hope the other cousins are more human.

Yes, it's possible that some good will come out of this sorry situation. Hopefully, the other cousins will learn from this and not repeat this hurtful action.

Thanks for coming back to the thread, OP. I really feel for you and your family, especially the 15 year-old. I hope that there can be some measure of healing as you all go forward from this.

OhmygodDont · 11/05/2024 16:21

Glad sense has prevailed and the 12 year old has been allowed to attended a family occasion.

Mirabai · 11/05/2024 16:22

crockofshite · 11/05/2024 16:02

It's a shame you feel so sick about it.

However your 12 yo definitely needs to be part of the celebrations, it's an investment in her future with her family.

Nephew and bride sound clueless. But they are only 1 in 10. I hope the other cousins are more human.

Nonsense. Who would want to ‘invest’ in family who behave like this anyway.

Brontebythesea · 11/05/2024 16:22

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:08

Where are you and your daughter going on holiday? I hope you have the best time. I’d happily to donate to that fund. Make it longer for the time your daughter is at the wedding as well. Give your husband and daughter a taste of what life without you both looks like, and how it feels when others don’t think about your feelings.

Good grief. No wonder some people grow up dysfunctional when this is how they choose to deal with their problems. The 12 year old is a child. I can’t believe so many people are putting the expectation of a grown adults response on her.

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:23

InterIgnis · 11/05/2024 16:20

The husband isn’t going, it seems.

I’m not sure why OP should display favouritism towards her eldest in order to punish her youngest for having a different perspective to her.

It’s not favouritism to make sure your other child has an equally nice time though is it, it’s fairness.

Nicole1111 · 11/05/2024 16:25

Brontebythesea · 11/05/2024 16:22

Good grief. No wonder some people grow up dysfunctional when this is how they choose to deal with their problems. The 12 year old is a child. I can’t believe so many people are putting the expectation of a grown adults response on her.

So the older child and mother should sit at home while being excluded from a wedding and while the younger child has a little holiday? Is that your suggestion?

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