2dc/sc/slpst/ chain 1 - why my sister thinks my husband is a sex trafficker.

[Fandangodiggers]

NC but penis beaker, Mexican house thief, screaming in the Sistine etc etc.

My sister lives alone and started an online relationship with an American man during covid. He moved to the U.K. in 2022. They live together, apparently entirely platonically. We’ll call him ‘Ken’. Ken has had to spend the last few months back in America (something to do with his visa) so we’ve been inviting my sister round for coffees and dinner a couple of times a month.

My sister and Ken originally bonded over their shared political views. Both are from the very far left, and together their views have gotten more and more extreme. Unfortunately, both have become fans of conspiracy theories.

Last night my sister came over unannounced and wanted to speak to me alone. She seemed concerned so we went for a coffee. It transpires that my sister believes that she has uncovered a child sex trafficking ring being run from the golf club where my husband is a member, and she believes my husband is the main organiser.

This kind of madness is fairly on brand for my sister but this was well beyond her normal batshittery. Her key piece of evidence was a notebook she had stolen from my house the last time she was there that contains a ‘secret code’ she has managed to decipher. 2dc = 2 dead children, 1sc = 1 sexy child etc etc. in this book she’s found an entire inventory my husband is keeping and by her and Ken’s reckoning, thousands of children have passed through this golf club.

I write crochet patterns as a hobby. Granted, she probably isn’t aware of this.

It has to be the end of my relationship with my sister at this point (obviously) but I’m so desperately sad to lose her this way. I was hoping with Ken away, we would be able to bring her back into the fold and stop her decent into conspiracy theory madness but I honestly think she’s too far gone.

Just on the off chance, has anyone ever managed to successfully salvage someone from extreme radicalisation like this or do I need to follow my instincts on this one and let her go? I’m resigned to losing her but if there’s a chance to salvage her I’d like to try.

FYI I have of course told DH, he thinks it’s hilarious so no harm done there but I have told him to alert the golf course staff in case she tries to burn the place down or something.

I was at a funeral last week and a cousin who Ive always thought sensible and a good laugh, earnestly told me that the government are controlling us via the weather. & another 2 people I know, no matter what the conversation they will turn it around to conspiracies. I dont talk to them anymore as there's no reasoning with them. They speak of nothing else and it's beyond tedious.

This type of thing is very common. I dont believe they're all mentally ill. Some people dont do enough with their lives, and crave to be viewed as important and knowledgeable. They sit on FB and YouTube for hours scouring conspiracy theories and believe they know it all via studying other people's viewpoints, then develop delusions of grandeur that they're better than and more informed/learned than everyone else.

OP your sister is a liability and if you don't wake up, she'll bring trouble to your door. You're far too calm and accepting but presumably your husband wont be when she opens her big mouth to others on who and what she believes he is. & nor should he be.

This is tremendous

Also, she could get in a lot of trouble for spreading malicious lies. People have gone to prison for accusations of this sort that went quite far and resulted in children being removed from their parents. It’s not just libel and defamation, it doesn’t take much for someone this caught up in a dangerous fantasy to pervert the course of justice.

I crochet but that's not what my mind immediately jumped to! I also think it sounds like a level of paranoia linked to mental health issues op. I wouldn't be cutting her off because she sounds like she is functioning but unwell and I'd want to keep an eye on her personally.

I know nothing about crochet. I never did it in my life and none of my close friends does.
My first thought was 2dc - 2 children , 1 sc - 1 stepchild. I wouldn’t think about sex trafficking though but neither about crochet.

Wow, I did not know that about psychosis

Well it’s a very simplistic way of putting it. It’s hard to describe if you haven’t been there.

But it’s the same as everybody else. You have some kind of input/ circumstance/ event and you either register it and move on, or you chose to act on it. These are just decisions every one makes millions times an hour whether your mentally ill or not.

And in some circumstances depending on what you think is happening, that ‘choice’ can be pretty much impossible to ignore - so not much of a choice, but it’s still a conscious decision someone is making. (Ie. Postpartum psychosis when a mother thinks her baby is in harms way).

The reason I explained it was that chasing, looking for evidence/proof, searching etc - it’s classic psychosis. And for me it’s what differentiates it from a wacky conspiracy theory someone might hold but not actively act on or put large amounts of effort into thinking about.

Habit! It’s not how I learned, but one pull through a loop being single and 2 being a double just makes so much more sense to me. Plus I watch a lot of YouTube for stitches so i think picked it up there.

My political views are very far left. I don’t believe in any conspiracy theories.

Please don’t conflate the two.

Generally left wing people just want a fairer and more equal society.

Im also a leftie, apologies, referring to her political leanings was more to illustrate she’s not a natural fit for far right conspiracy theories but somehow that’s where she’s ended up.

She also wants a fairer and more equal society I imagine, the problem is she thinks the answer is in taking down some great World Order controlling everything rather than actual, real power structures. I think this is where the far left and far right meet, we’re a circle.

She sounds mentally unwell

i just wanted to acknowledge your posts and thank you for explaining how psychosis could be a thing here. It does feel like she’s ‘’choosing’ to believe what she wants rather than proper evidence, it’s always felt a bit like that honestly.

Also more widely, it seems there’s a huge range of opinions on this thread both about my sister and my crochet . Please know I’m listening, I’m reading everything and I’m applying the bits that I think make sense knowing my sister as I do.

Aaah but you see the police are all in on it.

Please could someone, anyone, explain the first sentence to me please?

She sounds like she needs a proper intervention. And help.

Does she work? I always wonder how people like this exist.

NC was my first instinct, it’s the only thing she’s ever really paid attention to. I’ve done it twice before, once when she was pretending she was speaking to our dead parents because she’d become a Medium, and once when DH and I got married and she refused to come to the wedding 2 days before because i invited some friends she didn’t like (who she had never met in person, but who had once taken her on in the comments section of one of my Facebook posts during the Brexit campaign). The specific reasons kept changing over a 48 hour period but boiled down to ‘bad energy’ essentially. She was supposed to walk me down the aisle but DH’s dad did it instead.

That said, the sheer volume of people making really good points about how vulnerable and isolated she is is changing my view on that, I wonder whether I need to meet up with her again, explain how hurt we are and how we can’t go on with her behaving like this and leave the ball in her court. I know she values the relationship with us, so if she stops I know she’s not mentally unwell, if she continues it would suggest she can’t help it?

No she doesn’t work anymore, she was a care assistant though for the years she did work. She lives in a small house mortgage free. I have no idea about her finances other than that, but she’s never asked me for money.

@Fandangodiggers I'd be interested in what she was hoping you would do once she told you? How did the conversation go after she made her big reveal?

It might give some insight into how she is feeling.

The thread is frankly hilarious! 🤣 Which feels awful to say because of the subject matter 😬

My partner and I have good belly laughs about my psychosis now. It did take half a decade to get there. Hopefully I am wrong about the psychosis but either way I hope you can laugh about this with your sister in years to come 😊

Keep us updated!

My sister and Ken originally bonded over their shared political views. Both are from the very far left, and together their views have gotten more and more extreme. Unfortunately, both have become fans of conspiracy theories.

@Fandangodiggers in the states, that would be far rightwing, not left. Sex trafficking of children and others by ‘the deep state’, Joe Biden, the Clintons, and various other democrats , as well as general conspiracy theories, are the maga/extreme rightwing’s bread and butter. You are right to distance yourself, these people are dangerously unhinged and not to be trusted. Their delusions can cause terrible damage and have ruined lives.

I know none of the crochet terms mentioned -lm dyspraxic and have 2 left hands on a good day. But it does sound to me like she’s not well and needs some mental health assistance. Her insight sounds poor. How much support can the rest of the danio give?

You obviously haven’t had any recent dealings with mental health services - the bar for any kind of SS or police intervention is set ridiculously high. No agency would be remotely interested in becoming involved unless the OP’s sister posed a serious and immediate threat to the public - and possibly not even then. Conspiracy theorists are the worst to deal with as they are so convinced by the batshit rubbish they buy into and believe that anybody who doesn’t go along with their views has been got at. I can quite see why the OP feels she must go NC.

I think they are from OP’s crochet patterns -2 double crochet etc - not sure what sc is (single crochet?)

I don't know "basic" crochet or knitting terms either. Why would you if you don't knit/crochet?

I don't know any sex trafficking lingo either though.

The sister sounds unwell.

Your sister has tipped over the edge - not sure if she is mentally unwell or this is just how she rolls! Covid brought out the worst in so many people! My friend's elder sister, previously an educated professional, fairly well balanced, morphed into an ardent Brexiteer and Covid conspiracy theorist, refusing vaccinations although she is in her 70s!

It must be quite alarming on a day-to-day basis, but first and foremost, you need to protect yourself and your family. I would be furious that she had gone snooping for 'evidence'! Maybe if you see her, do it away from your home?

Ken sounds like a prize prat and the longer he stays away the better. Though clearly he is still influencing her from abroad.

What was the reference to the penis beaker and the other two threads? Did you post them? The penis beaker is legendary!