That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13372909/breastfeeding-charity-bullying-trans-women-row.html

www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/music/breastfeeding-charity-suspends-trustees-who-want-to-ban-trans-women-from-its-services/ar-AA1nZKUU

They have always been inclusive of biological women who identify as trans men and also non binary.

But allowing men who identify as women into their sessions whilst vulnerable women are learning how to breastfeed? Seriously? And what about women like myself from a faith that doesn't permit men to be in intimate spaces with women? What about women like myself who are survivors of domestic abuse who had to learn to breastfeed whilst making symptoms of PTSD.
I don't want biological males hijacking these services for women!!!! It makes me feel unsafe, traumatised and afraid for my daughters.

Why is LLL suddenly falling over themselves to accommodate men with fetishes for lactation?

I feel like I'm going crazy when I read what's happening to places like LLL and Girl Guides.

Why are people so dangerously naive now?

From memory there is a transwoman who wants a uterus implant, so he can get pregnant and be the first transwoman to get an abortion

That's just made up bullshit. I can only find any info about that on the Toronto Sun and it's even called out as being a fake video created to spark outrage there. No reputable sources have reported on this being a real intention.

So you're a transphobe.

Do you hate other minorities too?

No one made you look at the picture, it's literally blurred out. You viewed it by choice. I agree it's disgusting but it's not a realistic representative of the trans women who would want to attend a breast feeding support group. No one on this thread has managed to produce evidence of an oversexed pornified cross dressing man crashing an LLL meeting to satisfy a fetish.

@BalletCat That's just made up bullshit.

Here you go... and in his own words.

Trans woman wants uterus transplant to ‘have an abortion’
“A trans activist has posted a video on Twitter expressing their wish to have a uterus transplant in order to become the “first trans woman” to have an abortion.”
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/trans-woman-wants-uterus-transplant-to-have-an-abortion/video/ca537291dfda02241364fee8ba112a00

A man wants to get a uterus transplant and become the first “trans-woman” to abort a baby.
https://www.instagram.com/liveactionorg/reel/CxbwAqDRUz9/?hl=en

Is it even possible, even with all the meds in the world for a biological male to produce milk like a woman does?

No. They may be able to stimulate themselves to produce a bit but it's not likely to be enough to sustain an infant. The claimed "evidence" that said males do is very dubious.

I agree it's disgusting

Why? Surely it's just a "trans woman" feeding a child in a natural womanly way?

Your cognitive dissonance must be tough to live with.

Oh the good old transphobe insult. Waah I'm so offended. Its actually more insulting to class men who want to shove their nipples into children's mouths alongside 'other minorities' as you put it.

Oh yeah it never happens does it, along with all the other werid things men like that do which never happens.

Blurred was repulsive enough thank you.

That picture is disgusting because it's clearly not just a trans woman trying to feed her baby in a natural womanly way. It's clearly over sexualised. It's also clearly an example that was chosen to offend people and prove it is a fetish. No cognitive dissonance here. I agreed with PPs that some people will be weirdos with fetishes but I don't believe they're the ones that are going to be asking for support at a LLL meeting.

I saw the phrase "birthing person" yesterday. My mind was blown.

You literally can't see it blurred 🙄

I know you're not offended. You clearly don't give a shit. And I'm not insulting you I'm pointing out a fact. You can disagree with someone or their behaviour without using disgusting insulting language about them, which is where the phobia comes in.

I just don't believe that a man with a fetish would go to the length of literally transitioning which takes years, having top or bottom surgery, taking estrogen to alter their bodies and voices, having their own baby and then inducing lactation with a hormonal protocol.

You are naive. Men go to huge amounts of effort and invest massively in order to realise their fetishes.

The sheer amount of effort that would take surely makes it obvious that only actual transwomen with a genuine want to feed their baby would do it.

No matter how genuine a mother's want to breastfeed her baby, no matter what enormous efforts she puts into breastfeeding, feeding a baby is about what is best for the baby, not for the mother. Actual women with a genuine want to feed their baby, don't breastfeed, or stop breastfeeding, when the medications they are taking may be harmful to their baby.

This has turned into a discussion of men’s rights.

I resigned from LLL several years ago, because I believed that this policy would disadvantage women and babies, as the cost of including trans women.

My focus is on the mother baby dyad, at one of the most vulnerable times in their lives, and what’s best for them. There is no advantage to them to including strange men. There may be an advantage for individuals to involve their DH, and LLL meetings (in my experience) cater to that without involving the man in the main meeting.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/i-want-widen-bandwidth-gender-9686747

Alex here also describes theyself as a lesbian

Which is completely different and you know it.

@BalletCat according to the transgender charity GIDD, only a very few TW have any surgery let alone bottom surgery. Most simply cross dress and some take hormones. Many don’t because they don’t like the libido effects of oestrogen.

there is zero benefit to babies of being fed chemically induced secretions from a male nipple. None. And vulnerable babies should be the only care here.

I don't think anybody here is trying to say that any of this justifies violence towards trans women.

In response to the OP - and steering deliberately clear of all posts going off on random tangents - the world has gone absolutely mad hasn't it?

Exactly this. If a man wants to change his body or wear different clothes or whatever, that's ok with me. But men cannot "be mothers" and they can't breastfeed.

Amazing how society is currently up in arms about the supposed generation of children who "have never heard no" and "don't realise the world doesn't revolve around them" but apparently a grown arse man who wants to go into what should be a female safe space/ live as "a mother" (does he also want the low pay, pressures and everything else that goes with it?) has to have their precious feelings considered above everything else.

Well I’m offended. I don’t want to see pictures of child abuse. Why do you think it’s acceptable?

Using the baby to get their own gratification. Absolutely hideous.

Desperate to know how I’m supposed to ‘behave as a woman’. If it involves wearing pink, drinking Prosecco and enjoying shopping trips, I’m fucked.

Are you a women?

Just 'behave' exactly as you do now and you'll be fine

I agreed with PPs that some people will be weirdos with fetishes but I don't believe they're the ones that are going to be asking for support at a LLL meeting.

I wouldn’t be so sure. Male sexuality is a strange beast and some men will go to very extreme lengths to get what they want to satisfy their urges. There have been plenty of fetishists with trans identities accessing women’s changing rooms, hospital wards and rape crisis support groups. Why would BFing support groups be any different?

Well exactly @sel2223.
I was hoping @BalletCat would clarify what ‘behave as a woman’ means, as apparently it is something that some men can do. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Bring back the words pervert and cross dressing. Then we can see this for what it really is.

These are heterosexual men who are using babies as props for their own gratification.

Disgraceful.

@BalletCat

Transgender people face so much abuse and violence in their lives and are regularly the victim of hate crimes, anyone enduring that is not doing so for a laugh or for a sneak peak at a tit.

Do you think that natal women who have faced abuse and violence in their lives are transphobic if they are unwilling to share intimate spaces (rape crisis meetings for example) with natal men who identify as women?