That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13372909/breastfeeding-charity-bullying-trans-women-row.html

www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/music/breastfeeding-charity-suspends-trustees-who-want-to-ban-trans-women-from-its-services/ar-AA1nZKUU

They have always been inclusive of biological women who identify as trans men and also non binary.

But allowing men who identify as women into their sessions whilst vulnerable women are learning how to breastfeed? Seriously? And what about women like myself from a faith that doesn't permit men to be in intimate spaces with women? What about women like myself who are survivors of domestic abuse who had to learn to breastfeed whilst making symptoms of PTSD.
I don't want biological males hijacking these services for women!!!! It makes me feel unsafe, traumatised and afraid for my daughters.

Why is LLL suddenly falling over themselves to accommodate men with fetishes for lactation?

I feel like I'm going crazy when I read what's happening to places like LLL and Girl Guides.

Why are people so dangerously naive now?

Please educate people on how tanswomen live their lives as women then.

Lesbians still have female names and behave like women 🙄

But you said being a woman involves wearing make-up, female clothes, and often marrying men. And some short versions of names are unisex.
You're contradicting yourself. There's no logic there.

Please educate people on how tanswomen live their lives as women then.

We all know. We are educated, that's the thing. The propaganda isn't working any more.

How are trans women having their own babies? You mean using their very male penises and testicles and testosterone to make sperm which only men can do, and then use that sperm to impregnate a woman, since only women can produce eggs?

Not all trans women remove their penis. Self ID and our culture of immediately validating means a man doesn’t have to do any of what you describe to be seen as a trans woman and could literally just decide tomorrow Adam is now Amelia and that is that.

Please educate people on how tanswomen live their lives as women then.

They don't.

wtf does "behave like women" mean?

What makes a woman a woman is being born a girl and growing up. Not who they marry, how they dress, what they are called, what they put on their skin, how they behave or how they feed their babies. Only women can live life as a woman.

I thought like you did once, but the more I looked into this the more disturbing things I learned about AGPs and it’s not just the breastfeeding- it’s the idea of themselves as a woman that’s arousing. So all that effort - all worth it to fulfill their fantasies. And then they find a woman who’s so willing to see anyone who says they are a woman as a woman, that will gladly and unknowingly offer up their baby to be part of that fantasy. Unfortunately men put a lot of effort into abusing women and children, there are countless examples of this.

👏👏👏👏 a hundred times yes!!

Exactly. People go to all sorts of weird lengths to fulfil their fetishes. I remember watching a documentary about a man who was imprisoned for eating another man, he'd met him on the Internet. One got turned on by eating human flesh, the other being eaten. I'd say that's more extreme that 'transitioning'. You can tell the difference between those who have gender dysphoria and those who have a kink for dressing up as women by whether the images they post of themselves are pornified or not. Many of them are.

Is it even possible, even with all the meds in the world for a biological male to produce milk like a woman does? I remember when I was breastfeeding the engorgement I would get, and the huge amounts of milk I would pump when I was away from my son. I just don't believe it is possible for a male to do this, and if it's just small amounts of milk, what's the point? Most tiny babies would find this very stressful.

What @Jollyjoy said. If the main aim of this was actually feeding your baby, you'd choose to bottle feed. The cases I've read about, the baby is always being bottle fed as well as not enough milk can ever be made.

The sheer amount of effort that would take surely makes it obvious that only actual transwomen with a genuine want to feed their baby would do it.

Not sure 'effort' is the right word when all the steps involved in the process of 'becoming a woman' are gratifying?

You know if you went and used 'transwoman' rather than 'trans woman' on social media the people you're defending here would tear you apart for transphobia?

I only produced very small amounts of milk due to PCOS and had to supplement with formula. Should I not have bothered?

I put a lot of effort into breast feeding my baby but still had to use bottles and formula due to low supply. Did that make my effort pointless?

My main aim was always to feed my baby, but I wanted to breast feed. Combi feeding is completely valid. Not being able to EBF is not a good argument against attempting to breast feed

I agree that you can tell the difference between people with gender dysphoria and people who have a kink for cross dressing easily.

Has anyone actually witnessed OTT pornified men crashing LLL meetings?

Do you know any trans people personally or do you just believe the insane hysteria the media is whipping up? They're just normal people who want to live as the opposite gender. They're not the bloody boogeyman

Yes I do know several trans people personally. It was someone very close to me transitioning that opening my eyes to the misogyny and toxicity of this ideology.

Having a middle aged male sitting in your living room in a pink crop top saying that he's actually a teenage girl as he's just going through puberty is a bit of an eye opener. And the rest.

The trans woman I know adopted her baby because after having surgery and taking hormones for years she was no longer fertile as a man. It's perfectly valid for a trans person to adopt a baby., surely you wouldn't call adopting not having your own baby?

Having a middle aged male sitting in your living room in a pink crop top saying that he's actually a teenage girl as he's just going through puberty is a bit of an eye opener. And the rest.

I'm sure it is! That has not been my experience of trans women though! The trans women I know just want to live their lives quietly and be accepted.

What's your point?

Should I throw them to the dogs and agree with everyone here that they're just evil perverts?

The trans women I know would not lose their minds over there not being a space where the should be one or turn on allies they desperately need in society.

sorry but any transwomen who wants to be a part of a breastfeeding class is there to satisfy a fetish, there is no other reason.

I am waiting for the first transwomen to demand a smear test.

Like a poster said I know quite a few transwomen and most of them want to live their live quietly. Two of them of good friends and they actually want all this nonsense to die down so they can get on with their lives. They say all this activists are making life more difficult for them.

The other three I knew I used to know though work as we were a diversity charity- well let’s just say a would not have trusted them in a women’s space and would not have been at all happy to have them in a changing room or a breastfeeding group with me.

What am I bringing 3 children into

Sorry I should have wrote trans women not transwomen. My bad

Re smears, that already happens for neo vaginas.

From memory there is a transwoman who wants a uterus implant, so he can get pregnant and be the first transwoman to get an abortion.

I don't think anything is off limits.

And as I don't have Layla Morans' amazing ability to see the souls of TruTrans I'm afraid I cannot detect the difference between a poor transwoman "living their lives as 'women'" and 'just random men that are waltzing in off the street' so all men can go set up their own groups.

I would call that human trafficking.

Stop sucking up to nonces.

Women who produce a small amount of breast milk and also use formula are nothing to do with men, penis chopped off or not as only a man can have a penis removed, who want to abuse babies by putting them on their nipples.

The picture on this thread is absolutely repulsive and I could of done without seeing a child abuse image.

That poor child.