AIBU to hope that able bodied people will support disabled people against the tory attack on PIP?

[Blackcats7]

I have just been reading posts from many terrified disabled people on a facebook group I belong to.
People are afraid for their lives after the government's recent announcement to stop huge numbers of people with mental health issues qualifying for PIP anymore.
This attempt to scapegoat disabled people has a long history in the tory party and is popular with their traditional core but the attack on PIP is a new low.
Even those claiming PIP for other reasons think they will be the next target and that the tory aim is to pretty much eradicate any support for us with the half hearted usual disguise of "concentrating help on those who need it most" when they know they can't get away with saying what they actually are doing.
Disabled people have votes too (being housebound I thank goodness for postal votes) and I think this current tactic will have a big influence on how those votes are used but my question is how many able bodied people will take this attack on us into account when it comes to the election?
Should this nightmare come to pass there will be blood on government hands because I have no doubt people will die bearing in mind the targets are people with mental health problems and the tory propaganda that they are removing a right to benefit from those who feel a little bit depressed and anxious about life as most people will at some point or another is utter nonsense. Claiming PIP is extremely hard and requires a very high bar to succeed, especially for mental health. Popping to your gp for some anti depressants would not cut it.
So we need your support.
YABU we aren't that bothered or think the govenment is quite right to stop you scrounging bastards
YANBU this is disgusting ableism and we have your back

YANBU. What can we do?

Oh didn't know you could do this. No one mentioned it to me when I had cancer and couldn't work and was self employed

Yabu if attitudes during the pandemic are anything to go by.

Really? REALLY? He didn't have utilities or Internet? He genuinely was left with 200.00 a week after all costs that he didn't need to the point he regularly crossed the 16000 threshold? Goodness.

Well, when it comes down to it, that’s what it is, it’s spitefully minded because people don’t like others getting things they can’t have. They don’t like having to work while others get things for free, it’s a sense of unfairness, that’s the top and bottom of it.

I see it all the time, people who live comfortable, lovely lives yet keep ranting about disabled people scrounging or commiting fraud even though they’ve themselves are doing well in life. it’s a strange mind set. Punching down.

If disabled people could wake up tomorrow, work and live like an average person, they would.

Do you have any idea how much a wheelchair accessible vehicle costs? It must be so nice to only need a normal car.

In an ideal world everyone would have enough money for everything, including all luxuries. But we’re not in an ideal world. There isn’t enough money to cover everything, there’s not enough people working and there’s the col crisis. There are lots of people going without, services needing more funding, NHS and education overstretched. We cannot afford to be giving out benefits for luxuries at the moment. We cannot afford for this amount to be off work, or in part time work and claiming, and the number rising. Not without other services getting more stretched and being cut, or people who are already stretched paying higher taxes. It’s not jealousy, it’s just being realistic.

Of course there are enough jobs for everyone. Go on job sites such as Indeed and there are pages of jobs ranging from unskilled to skilled.

I agree with you.

Well, PIP is truly Schroedingers benefit isn't it?

Apparently simultaneously extremely difficult to get, and being dished out like smarties to the undeserving (disabled) rich. Wonder how much of it is being off-shored and spent on designer handbags?

Honestly the attempts to justify its withdrawal are getting more ludicrous by the minute.

My daughter can’t work and her pip doesn’t go on luxuries.

But the government can afford to be pissing money up the wall to pay their already rich donors? Can you not see where the blame lies here? It’s the government stoking hate towards minority groups so they can carry on ripping the country off. There is, or was, enough money, until they raided it and will keep doing so.

Should all disabled people just fuck off and stop being a drain on society, living on gruel and never having any kind of life because it’s a luxury while they live the high life?

Zero hour contracts. Jobs demanding flexibility that few, especially the disabled can accommodate. Insecure low paid positions. MLMs masquerading as "self employment opportunities" make up a sizeable proportion.

I'm surprised nobody's suggested Only Fans......

Some vile responses here from people who clearly cannot open their minds enough to imagine how others actually have to live. Makes you realise why the Tory party actually still gets some votes. I wondered who could possibly still support them but I see they're on this thread.

I would say the jobs you’ve stated make up only a small proportion of advertised jobs. Obviously a number of jobs are going to ask for flexibility, like weekend working, shifts etc, but it’s not all that common to have 9 - 5 jobs these days, unless office/admin jobs.

Then she’s probably got nothing to worry about. I don’t think anyone is saying here that those who genuinely can’t work or don’t genuinely need the money for reasonable costs shouldn’t get it.

Also many poorly young people are trying to get well enough to be able to study so they can work. My daughter isn’t well enough to study or work. She needs to focus on getting well so she can then study in order to build a future career. Forcing her into a job she can’t do will just make her more ill, push studying back so well paid work is pushed further away from her. I don’t get why there is a need to punish an ill young person who has gone to hell and back with the ptsd to prove it.

Fireandflames, I have all these ailments and MAKE myself go to work.

They are. The government is saying anybody who gets pip for MH will get some generic crappy talk therapy ( which won’t treat my DD’s conditions) and must work. She can’t so she’ll have no money. Why can’t she have the treatments she needs and is waiting for and be able to focus on getting well? Forcing her into crappy jobs she won’t be able to sustain longer than a week and which will push her into crisis is just ridiculous.

And that's part of the big problem. Lack of secure jobs across the board topped up by benefits even full time positions. The gig economy proliferates. Hard for many at the thin end of the wedge - a hundred times worse for those with disabilities.

By far the most senseless part of PIP is the motability scheme imo. Being disabled in many cases, even though qualifying for the highest rate, doesn't mean you need a brand new (unadapted) car. It's a total unnecessary waste in lots of cases.

I beg your pardon, but that is such a ridiculous thing to say. Why on earth would it be a waste, if it could enable some people to access the outside world, that may be closed off to them, on the whole, otherwise? Have you struggled to walk a few meters yourself by any chance?

I honestly don’t see a lack of secure jobs. People keep saying how Brexit and the exit of foreign workers on the back of that have created a big void, where there’s a huge shortage of workers, and then seeing comments on here saying there’s absolutely not enough jobs. Which is it?

Define secure to start with?

This.

I have a friend who uses a mobility scooter, and has to have a big car fitted with a winch so she can get it in and out, and hobble her way to the driver's seat.
But she also WFH, so I guess, according to some on MN, she didn't need her car.

What jobs are you expecting all these people to do?When you have had mental illness your medical history makes it hugely difficult to get jobs. And what if like I’ve said in my daughters case it would be disastrous?