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Partner wants a baby - am I not compromising?

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Daisyshine90 · 02/05/2024 08:39

My partner (39 this year) wants a baby but I’m still hesitant (34 this year). He brought up trying for a baby about a year in. I said I wasn’t ready as we weren’t even living together yet. He said some things:

“He’s worried for me that I’ll miss my chance” - surely that’s an emotion I should own?
“He’s worried I’ll never be ready” - I said I wanted children just not right then.
“We both met older - he never wanted to be an old dad” - he worked abroad until he was 35 developing his career. (I have a good career too but he is significantly on more than me.)
Some family might not be around next year” - despite no one being ill at the time he said that.

It dawned on me then that he’s desperate to start a family and it’s felt like a pressure ever since. Are these usual things to discuss?

He has offered his own compromises l:
Right at the start of the dating period he was adamant against marriage. It’s been a regular argument since but I started to accept that it wasn’t going to happen. He broke up with his previous partner because she wanted marriage and children and he didn’t/wasn’t ready at the time for kids. Nearly 2 years in, he said he has been thinking about it and now wants to marry me because he cares for me, knows how important it is to me and is willing to compromise. I asked if he could give me a timeline and he said 3 - 4 years but he wants children first. I responded suspiciously and it ended up in another argument. This was because it was on the back of an argument. Was I being unfair in responding that way?

We still don’t live together but I’ll be moving in soon. He has never seen this as a problem though and thinks it’ll work if I get pregnant now and eventually move in. This just seems absurd to me. Now one of his family members is ill with cancer and I’m worried that’s going to be another pressure.

The pressure is hitting hard. I feel so overwhelmed by it that I can’t even think straight about how I feel because I’m thinking about how he feels. I’ve always wanted a family but the thought of being pregnant makes me incredibly anxious. I wanted it to be a decision together, and the pressure just makes me feel as though it’s not my decision.

This is all combined with me moving into a house he is building. Originally he didn’t want me to have any input (just bills) but then after a while we agreed it’d work emotionally if I put some investment in. But now l, after reading up on it, I don’t feel it’s a good idea (not being married) but he’s certain he wants me to put 50% in. The plan is also for his mother to move in the small build next to it (inevitably she will be helping with ‘childcare’). This was his plan really early on so it has never been something we’ve discussed together. I get on with his mum very well but I just feel decisions are out of my control and I’m just fitting into his jigsaw.

I’ve been diagnosed recently with PTSD due tone sexual trauma and have experienced an abusive relationship in the past. I know these impact how I approach relationships and trusting partners. I love him and we have some wonderful times together. Generally we get on really well. It’s just the pressure of the next big steps.

I don’t have many friends who have families yet, so I am surrounded by single friends. I haven’t really been in a position of a serious relationship/living with someone because of my past. This is all new to me and I feel very naive. Does anyone have any advice? Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Faz469 · 02/05/2024 19:24

Your body your choice! Plenty of people are older than 34 when they have children. I was 38 fgs!

He clearly has no respect for you or your body. Having a baby should be a choice made by both potential parents but is essentially the mothers choice! It's the mothers body that changes. The mothers hormones that go berserk. Tell him to jog on.

When men can give birth he can have the ultimate say in when you have children.

Just stop having sex with him....

BruFord · 02/05/2024 19:32

Haven’t RTFT, just the OP’s posts. Trust your instincts, if you’re not ready, you’re not ready. Don’t put any money into the house he’s building either.

If it were me and I knew that I wanted to be with him longterm and have children together, I’d insist on marriage first. If he won’t do that, you and your children will be in a vulnerable position.

You can start TTC on your wedding night if you want!

Ellie525 · 02/05/2024 19:42

sandyhappypeople · 02/05/2024 18:50

He likely wouldn't leave you, he would kick you out and keep the children, everything that he is saying screams that you aren't his priority.

I was thinking this.... can imagine your name will somehow never go on the deeds, marriage wont follow a baby and you'll be out on your ear while him and his mum raise your child 😬😬

Beautiful3 · 02/05/2024 20:02

I would not have a baby with this man. He will never marry you or look after you. You'll essentially be used for his offspring, and end up as a single parent. You deserve so much better than that. If you don't want kids then that's fine. Please don't let someone persuade you, because kids are hard work and not for everyone. Absolutely nothing wrong with deciding not to have kids, bear that in mind.

ItsADoggieDogWorld · 02/05/2024 20:04

Ellie525 · 02/05/2024 19:42

I was thinking this.... can imagine your name will somehow never go on the deeds, marriage wont follow a baby and you'll be out on your ear while him and his mum raise your child 😬😬

Absolutely agree. And it seems to me that's it's a well thought out plan. OP will be ok as long as she behaves and doesn't demand anything. But if she wakes up one day and smells the coffee she's going to be out on her ear minus the children.

SeriaMau · 02/05/2024 20:24

What a complete and utter bastard. Typical man. Run for the hills. You deserve so much better.

Whatifthehokeycokey · 02/05/2024 20:34

I don't think you can really compromise with something like a baby. Either you have one or you don't. Your partner sounds emotionally manipulative.

Katbum · 02/05/2024 20:51

A baby isn’t something you can compromise on. It’s a human life. Being pregnant, giving birth, giving over 18 years of freedom to raise a child - all life experiences that can be wonderful but only if you want and are ready for them. Just as easily can be traumatising and depressing. Please don’t have a child until you are ready.x

Lambriniwages · 02/05/2024 20:57

First of all I want to say how sorry I am about the trauma you've been through that's awful.

From what you've said I think you need to ask yourself do you want to be with someone who seems to want full control of everything even you and having a baby .

Doesn't sound good from what I've read

GabriellaMontez · 02/05/2024 21:01

Out of interest, does she know she'll be helping with childcare?

Do you know how tricky it can be, having unpaid family members doing childcare for you?

notanotherrokabag · 02/05/2024 21:09

do not move in with this man or have his baby if he doesn't want to marry you

TBH I'd walk away now.

Ifyoucouldreadmymindlove · 02/05/2024 21:18

I ask because of my PTSD. Sadly I experienced sexual assault in my 20s followed by the abusive relationship (physical/verbal/part financial). This lead me to avoid having long term relationships after and build up of distrust.

I think this might be preventing you from seeing the red flags here, OP…

Nonewclothes2024 · 02/05/2024 21:25

Daisyshine90 · 02/05/2024 18:43

Another question - again not to challenge without me listening - but to consider wider understanding and perspective.

If things did go awry - would he truly leave it to me to support the children? If he is the one so desperate for a family, would he be quick to abandon them? Are men really generally that fickle?

I ask because of my PTSD. Sadly I experienced sexual assault in my 20s followed by the abusive relationship (physical/verbal/part financial). This lead me to avoid having long term relationships after and build up of distrust.

Nobody knows how any man will be with the children if the relationship went wrong.
However , you only need to read some posts on MN to see fathers do abandon their children.
CMS is not fit for purpose, it's entirely possible for an absent parent to never pay a penny.

ChangeAgain2 · 02/05/2024 21:26

I wouldn't have a baby with someone you've never lived with. He could be a nightmare to live with.

I wouldn't pay 50: 50 into a house I have no legal right to live in. Why would you? He'll say because your a team but he's the only person gaining equity and gaining your income. It would be fairer for you to pay 33% of utilities and food costs (after all his mum is also living there). . He pays for the mortgage because it's his house.

I wouldn't have a baby before the marriage. The marriage will never happen. You'll be very financially vulnerable. If you think you'll have the baby. If you take maternity leave during that time you will have a reduced income, is he still going to expect 50:50? Will you have access to money? How will your finances be split? If you split you'll have no rights to the house. You'll have to move out. Will you have any money as an emergency escape fund? I know lots of people who can't afford to leave unhappy relationships.

I LOVED my MIL but I wouldn't have wanted to live with her not would I have wanted her raising my children. You won't have any privacy and you'll have constant input.

Anyhow, you do what your comfortable with but personally I'd run for the hills.

ThunderStormFan · 02/05/2024 21:31

Read your post to my DH and his response matched mine - run!

OP I’m a similar age to you and have experienced some (not all) of this with an ex. In my case he was trying to baby trap me to stop me leaving - along with physical, emotional and financial abuse.

I did all the same things you have done in some updates, trying to see his point of view etc, and for me I gradually lost control of most aspects of my life …. The only saving grace was I worked and he lost his job so I got to go out to work (and attend a doctors appointment to get my contraceptive pill without him finding out).

Fast forward a few years (after a mega break up and recovering from being close to a breakdown) , it was me who broached the TTC subject with my then BF now DH. We agreed to start trying and within a few months of this he proposed. Took us a long time to conceive but he has always said (after the engagement, this wasn’t his proposal 😂) ‘As soon as we had that conversation, I knew I wanted you to be my wife, along with the mother of my children…. If we’re committing to raising children together, we’re committing to a life together and being married is part of that’.

We now have DC and whilst he’s some days we could happily murder each other, I’m so glad my ex didn’t get his way as I know he wouldn’t have been anywhere near as supportive as my DH is and I would have been trapped.

Please, please listen to your gut…. It’s telling you something isn’t right

anon4net · 02/05/2024 21:31

Honestly @Daisyshine90 this really doesn't sound like a relationship to bring a child into. But more than that, you don't sound happy nor really getting what you need and deserve from this relationship.

Marriage and children shouldn't be a compromise. You shouldn't be pressured. You shouldn't be financially stuck in this house/relationship.

I'm sorry about the PTSD and past abuse. Be strong now and get what you deserve by ending things.

PollyPeachum · 02/05/2024 21:39

@Daisyshine90 He bought the land for the house already? Is he trying to get finance for the construction from you?
I am not sure of the details but there are differences in land ownership within UK. England & Wales are the same, Scotland is different as is N Ireland. Doe his Mother own anything in her own right.
If England, Who owns the plot now? What does the Land Registry entry for the address say?
As it is under construction you need legal advice Solicitor or Surveyor before you part with money.

WiseKhakiGoose · 02/05/2024 21:40

OP, nobody is judging unmarried couples with kids when that's what both parties want.

But that's not your case. That's what he wants: kids with no marriage, before living together, and on top of it he's telling you to do it ASAP because you are getting old! He doesn't care what you want, only what he wants. Otherwise he wouldn't push it and make you feel bad about yourself that you are getting old!

Money for his house, without any legal security for you and on top of it he decided his mother will live next to you! Again he wants to take financial advantage of you without offering you any kind of legal security. It would never cross my mind to ask anyone for money for my house, as long as legally it's only my house, not our house.

"“He’s worried for me that I’ll miss my chance” - surely that’s an emotion I should own?" - you are right, it should be your own emotion!

"thinking about it and now wants to marry me because he cares for me, knows how important it is to me and is willing to compromise." - but he only talked about it, he didn't do any actions. Also, from the start he's talking about "compromise" like he's doing you a favour by asking you to marry him. He even didn't ask you to marry him, but already is telling you that you should be grateful for it. That's a big red flag!

"I asked if he could give me a timeline and he said 3 - 4 years but he wants children first. I responded suspiciously and it ended up in another argument." - You told him how you feel, instead of talking about, he dismissed it and started an argument. That's what abusive men do when you don't agree with what they want. They start arguments to intimidate you, next time you'll think twice before talking because now you know it may end up in an argument. A big red flag.

"The pressure is hitting hard. I feel so overwhelmed by it that I can’t even think straight about how I feel because I’m thinking about how he feels. " - because you feel something is terribly wrong and you can't understand what. I think it's because you're again in a DV relationship.

"He has never seen this as a problem though and thinks it’ll work if I get pregnant now and eventually move in. This just seems absurd to me." - you are right, and it seems absurd to me too. If it seems absurd to you, then it's your right not to accept it.

"This is all combined with me moving into a house he is building." - you don't feel it's a house you are building together, you feel it's a house he is building. At the same time he expects 50% of the money for his house. In return, I assume he didn't mention about legally making you the owner of the house along himself once you start investing the money, right? Is he telling you that now you should give him the money for the house, but legally he will make you the owner one day, when he'll marry him? If that's the case, he's lying and is only after your money.

"I definitely want to have children - but the timing right now seems wrong with the other things grinding away at my consciousness (house/marriage etc)." - of course, it seems wrong, you don't own a house, you're not married, you even didn't live together with him. You want to do the right thing before getting pregnant and taking one step at a time, but he's telling you that you're unreasonable. You doubt yourself only because of him, not because you don't know what's right for you.

"I rent at the moment but was considering buying my own house. His response to that is that he wants us to be a team." - He already made a decision on his own about his mother living next to you for the rest of your life. He's stopping you from buying your own property by making you to invest money in his house. You may regret it for the rest of your life that instead buying a property for yourself you'll invest all your money in his house without any kind of legal security.

OP how are you now with money? Are you paying all 50/50 or according to the income?
What about pregnancy and maternity leave? Is he ready to pay for it or he expects you to pay 50/50? What about your future finances? Is he expecting separate budgets or not? What about the baby, who will pay for all the clothes, toys, nursery, school etc? Is his mother even aware that he's expecting free childcare from her? Maybe she doesn't know about it and isn't into free childcare? Maybe she'll expect to be paid for?

"He isn’t abusive to me like my previous partner. He is kind to our neighbours, helpful in terms of cooking/asking about my day/helping out with general things - he isn’t very emotionally expressive but he is genuinely a nice and calm person. " - OP, what you described here is the least you should expect from your partner. Because in return you do the same: you're not abusive towards him, you're kind with neighbours, you're asking about his day, you're cooking, you're cleaning, etc. What else do you love him for?

Ask yourself are you afraid of him? Are you afraid of telling him that you don’t want to do something? Start talking with him about all the difficult conversations about finances, disagree where you want to disagree. See if every time it will end up with arguments instead of a conversion.

Talk with your therapist about your relationship, I hope it will help you. 💐💐💐

Cocothecoconut · 02/05/2024 21:51

Think very carefully
he's not a keeper
keep your independence

neverbeenskiing · 02/05/2024 21:58

Lots of posters saying "don't have a baby with him unless he marries you". I get where they're coming from but it's also important to understand that marraige does not guarantee financial security or shared care of a child in the event of divorce. I know plenty of divorced women who have been utterly shafted financially and who have also been left parenting solo but men who appeared to desperately want a child, until they got one. So I would go a step further and say don't tether yourself to this man legally, financially and especially not by having his child.

ttcat37 · 02/05/2024 22:09

You're looking into this far too deeply. Him wanting to have children before marrying you is a red flag alone but the idea of doing it before even living together is fucking mental. Having a newborn or just kids in general is a wild ride and unless your relationship is solid you won’t stay together. And there is no way on earth that you can know if your relationship is solid without living with someone (and I’d say for a good year or so). And definitely not with the MIL there, Jesus!
I would be saying to him absolutely no chance until you’ve lived together, got married and you’ve healed from your trauma. If he doesn’t agree to this then he doesn’t have your joint future at heart, just his best interests.

Springchickenonion · 02/05/2024 22:12

I never understand men who don't want to commit to marriage that ca be terminated if they want. But they happily commit to a child which is a lifetime commitment.

If it where me. I would only have a child if I wanted one and also that I was married, that's the point. It's to protect you (and your career) as you may decide to take time off to raise the children. Your career takes a hit. His doesn't and continues to grow.

This screams having your cake and eating it too. That's not what a family or partnership is.

HereToday99 · 02/05/2024 22:20

Oof…this post went from “not sure”, to “nawww” (when he said he’d only get married AFTER children), then to “OH HELL NO”, when he said he wanted you to put in 50% on a house that you apparently don’t have any say in/potentially aren’t even a legal owner of

EC22 · 02/05/2024 22:26

You should break up.
let him find someone who wants what he wants. You don’t sound compatible.

Catsmere · 02/05/2024 22:29

Hell no. Don't move in, don't have children with him. Get rid of him, he's no partner.

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