"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

Put a wall around the entire place and call it the asylum it is 😂

So you don’t want these extra migrants?

What’s the plan? I don’t think emergency legislation will happen so you’ll have to resolve with your own border policies

Why do you not think it will happen? Because this is Ireland and we just roll over and do as we are told? Listen to what is being said on the news. Legislation is in place and we are not going to be the fallguy for britain ever again.

A law is a law. Britain needs to learn this.

The emergency legislation to return migrants?

Because if it was possible all EU countries could implement the same and just return people

All EU countries that are adamant about it. And we are both.

Yes I do as a matter of fact. And my points still stand. Why is the Irish leaving because of starvation more worthy of respect than people fleeing war and hunger today? If I’m an Afghan woman running from the Taliban or a South Sudanese fleeing famine, am I less deserving than someone who left Ireland during the potato famine?

@Whenwillitgetwarm it was not a famine. It was genocide. That is the issue.

All EU countries are adamant but what they don’t have is agreement from the country to take the returns

Pretty much all are saying no these days

Going by pp it’s the agreement that’s required

I get the strength of feeling but stricter policy re-routes people, and countries who don’t want to be the ‘loophole’ or more attractive new route will need their own stricter border policies - that’s not returns though

I work with IPAS applicants the vast majority are female with young kids don't believe all you read

The issue is enforcement. I don't think that will happen; the UK doesn't have to accept it as a third country, and the border is porous. Legally all that has to happen is that on entry into Ireland, the asylum seeker claims there and disclaims any other claim made (UK or elsewhere). That is international law. So it's what the asylum seeker does in response to the UK's change of law that matters. UK policy can be very regressive, but the ability for an asylum seeker to claim in any country is the issue. Ireland would need to manage that issue or be breaking its own international commitments

I dont think this is even about asylum seekers anymore. I think this is now a powerplay and Ireland are just not going to give in.

Re not giving in that’s fine but international law is not working in your favour

You’ll need other ways to stop the extra migration

Yes but the practical problem has to be managed. Ireland will probably have to accelerate decision making on these claims and then consider direct returns. If it returns to the UK, even if that sticks, Ireland will tacitly accepting that these claimants will be sent to Rwanda.

I think you need to look at news that is outside of britains.

Asylum legislation will close loopholes, says McEntee (rte.ie)

Eh?

I really dislike the demonising of young male asylum seekers anyway and I think Ireland should be trying to steer the conversation away from that. I think there is something really dehumanising about the whole 'men in dingys' narrative coming out of the UK.

We have an accommodation centre in our small town that does seem to house a number of young males and tbh they seem grand and polite. Quicker times to process applications, get them working and earning money and I'm sure it'll be grand. It must be shit to be stuck in those centres, no young man wants that, let them make a good life for themselves and we will all reap the benefits.

Of course there’s a whole league of countries battling with migration issues. It’s not unnoticeable, some don’t notice but it’s obvious to me.

The problem is people can claim where they want and countries are struggling with the implications of the 1951 convention

Absolutely no less deserving.
And Ireland are more than happy to take their fair share of asylum seekers. The problem is the UK are not willing to do so and letting it fall back on Ireland to deal with.
The mistreatment of Ireland by the UK govt goes back throughout history.

As far as I am aware there is already an arrangement between Ireland and the UK to return people in the CTA, that's been in place since 2011.

The issue is enforcement. I'd say that if an individual asylum seeker decides to claim in Ireland, Ireland needs the cooperation of the UK to accept a return. If it doesn't have it, the legislation will be academic. A lot of that article does not specify the change needed, but suggests that the UK and Ireland will work together. That does not smell right to me given the meeting to resolve this yesterday was cancelled between the UK and Irish minsters responsible.

And please note when I am posting I am saying the UK government. I know many British people are not happy about a lot of aspects of UK history and current policy.

@Evanna13 has said it there. Even looking at Sunak and he honestly believes Ireland will do as we are told but for the first time ever I like Simon Harris recent interview and he pretty much laughed and said Britain can fuck off. Obv he didnt say those words but he basically snubbed it and grinned while doing so.

No. But I don't think the CTA as restated in 2019 as a MOU covers it. UK can say no. I think the politics of it will mean no for a while.

I really am very looking forward to seeing the outcome of this. I don't think I have been invested in the news so much in years. Sadly I have to work now but will be back to this thread asap.