"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

I read that as sarcasm maybe

On another note the ‘loophole’ part of the statement is also odd. Countries with tougher policy will have fewer people than those with more lax policy.

As for the EU policy it looks like June elections will shift to the right due to this issue

Oh, I didn’t pick up on that.

One of the effects of this is that for Ireland, they will be given a choice as to how tough they are about policing the border between ROI/NI. The UK will keep it open. A lot of Brexiteer people wanted a hard border. ROI may give them it by the back door depending on how this is handled.

An infrastructure designed for 3m people

This is my worry, that it will bring back all the hard/soft border arguments that Brexit caused. Such a difficult issue to resolve satisfactorily.

Tbh the handling of this is classic Morton's fork. Ireland will have ri decide whether the disrupt the WF for immigration purposes.

If Ireland want a porous border (they do) then migration will also be an issue. A lot of Brexiteers wanted a hard border and total control over goods checks away from the border. Even then because the border is so informal these checks would be near useless from a migration point of view.

France didn't take them when we were in the EU

Yep. This myth perseveres

There’s no great return policy that EU countries have ever used to anything more than an insignificant number

The EU still tell each other no with Dublin III in place

Ypuo are kidding??? 5 million people and facilities for 3miilion - where is the money going????

Ireland are taking plenty of asylum seekers and refugees already. They do not have capacity to take further huge numbers escaping from the UK too.
The UK government have thrown Ireland under the bus with Brexit. It has had huge negative implications for the Irish economy. And now they are happy to send all their asylum seekers to Ireland.
It is a shame because UK /Ireland relations had improved significantly before Brexit but since then the UK government has acted absolutely atrociously.

Hello
England is not sending anyone over, its their choice.
Ireland needs to grow a backbone and come up a deportation plan as we wont be taking them back.

Yup, we're an international pariah. Whose Rwanda policy is about to be copied by a host of EU countries (though credit to Denmark for being the originator).

Anyone still wondering about the benefits of Brexit?

Well said Evanna13. Agree with you totally. Rushi will be gone soon as useless leader. U.K. needs to sort itself out regards immigration as a shit show and Ireland needs to get some immigration laws that work and that they will enforce as seen as a soft touch.

3/4 of all recent immigrants in Ireland are Ukrainian. I personally make no distinction between which war asylum seekers are fleeing. If they’re running from Putin or Boko Haram it’s all pretty awful.

I’m also willing to bet that most of the Ukrainians will never return to Ukraine now they have established lives in Ireland. Same for the others.

You personally may not but there is a difference in the processing of Ukrainians amd asylum seekers. There is a difference between how long Ukrainian are housed by the state and Ukrainians can work in Ireland from pretty much day 1. That is why they are usually put in different columns.

Ireland are already factoring into their plans for the future the fact that lots of Ukrainians will wish to stay here. Its estimated between 50 and 60% will.

Despite claims by another poster of Ireland being 'monocultural' Ireland is 82% 'White Irish', England and Wales are 81.7% 'White British' so the 2 are pretty similar. Despite what posters here may claim Ireland is no stranger to immigration these days and hasn't been for quite a while now.

Mmmm. Numbers jumped up by white, Catholic Ukrainians perhaps.

We're talking about men in dinghies here.

To be fair though the Irish are on shaky ground complaining about immigration when they’re probably the nation with the most world wide immigrants of all time.

You could rock up to a remote archipelago in the middle of the Pacific and find an Irish person or someone of Irish descent already living there! lol!

Politicians talking about ‘loopholes’ will get us to voters asking for stronger border control pdq

Yes, it is wonderful to have such a fantastic Irish diaspora throughout the world.
Unfortunately the reasons the Irish had to travel are not so pleasant. The actions of the UK government have had a massive role in the Irish people having to emigrate.
The vast majority of Irish people are happy to take immigrants. The number of white Irish in Ireland is the same as the number of white British in England/Wales. However Ireland OBVIOUSLY do not have capacity to take a MASSIVE number of immigrants fleeing from the UK due to xenophobic UK government policy. Yet again Ireland are left to deal with issues dumped on them by the UK government.

However Ireland OBVIOUSLY do not have capacity to take a MASSIVE number of immigrants fleeing from the UK due to xenophobic UK government policy. Yet again Ireland are left to deal with issues dumped on them by the UK government.
@Evanna13
Perhaps the immigrants ultimate aim is to get to Ireland? They have walked through the EU to arrive in France, need to get to the UK because it's too far to dinghy-it to Ireland. Then they reach their destination. Everyone keeps saying how welcoming and rich Ireland is compared to the UK. Surely they hear this too.

Plus the UK OBVIOUSLY does not have the capacity to take the MASSIVE number of immigrants fleeing from France. Yet again the UK are left to deal with issues dumped on them by the EU's leaky, totally wide open borders due to FOM. Fix that first.

Maybe tackle the problem at source and stop blaming 'the middle man'. And point your finger at Angela Merkel who shouted loud to the world that the EU (and the UK) is open for come-one-come-all and we will look after you.

I do wonder if how much this whole thing has inflamed is because people see it as cleaning up after the Brits again rather than a problem with the actual asylum seekers. I know Brexit and Covid really made people here go ffs. All of that time and money we have had to waste because of it, people are sick of our time and money being wasted because the UK is a shit show. On Irish forums I have seen lots of people suggesting this will accelerate the call for a United Ireland just so we can rid of the land border with the UK and start distancing ourselves from them. People are really sick of having to bear the brunt of UK politics and just want to pull the drawbridge up and say fuck up your own country if you wish but the centuries of you fucking with ours need to end.

You seem very bitter.
You also seem very happy to support UK xenophobic policy.

Are you aware of any of the reasons why the Irish were forced to emigrate?

One more step towards a united ireland. Put a hard border up between Britain and Ireland then Ireland will be control their borders and immigration policy,

Doubt she is if she is British herself. They do not teach correct history in Britain.

Whoever said about us Irish having to clean up the mess of the English are correct. Sunak has done what history has taught him to do, throw Ireland to the wolves however what he is missing is the part where we no longer just say 'yes sir'.

The British government are still licking their wounds because they did not get their own way with a border when they brought in brexit and now like toddlers trying everything to get their way.