"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

The meeting was cancelled by the UK side.

Yes what does that tell you! It's called we aren't going to cooperate

Exactly!!!

You’ll need it though for the emergency legislation, which is why it’s looking unlikely

I know, I am not confident that the emergency legislation will succeed. But Ireland has to try.

The really key thing is the border. Ireland must return to the mainland UK. If it doesn't, it is completely stuffed as the border is soft.

Any asylum seeker can therefore just return over the border when they like.

The issue of returning to the UK lawfully will all be about the point of entry. And I would expect that an individual asylum seeker will not say where they came into Ireland.

The issue is that Ireland need to say, UK, we have lawful authority to return to the mainland of the UK. And you need a lot of cooperation for that to happen. The law has to work.

I hadn’t looked at the OP’s name until I read your comment and knew exactly who it would be. I think I may be spending too much time here too 😅.

The UK are not going to cooperate with this under the current government.
Unfortunately they are more than happy to let Ireland take the fall for their xenophobic policies.

Any border policy re routes people, that’s going to happen the more countries put them in

Then you get the knock on effect of no one wanting to be the laxer place people choose first

Ireland can’t just return to mainland U.K. in the same way England can’t return to France. If U.K. authorities don’t accept the person ( and why would they) they cannot be returned to the U.K. system.
and there seems to be some doubt as to whether the 80% figure is even correct. I doubt it myself

There's an awful lot of racism on this thread. And I'm not talking about towards the migrants.

We all have a humanitarian responsibility to take our fair share of asylum seekers.
Where certain countries decide not to do so and not to act fairly we have have these issues.

Did the UK and France have an returns agreement in place like there is in the CTA?

Yes I agree @Evanna13. The issue is that whatever law Ireland passes, it will have next to no traction over how the UK administers its internal borders.

So there is literally very little to stop someone coming across the Channel, arriving in Kent. Maybe they make a claim or not. Thereafter you travel up the country to Stranraer to catch the ferry to Belfast. No or few checks. In Belfast, make your way on foot to cross the border to ROI.

There are other routes too. Nit difficult. Some asylum seekers come from war zones. A trip up to Scotland from Kent is not exactly rough stuff and Ireland cannot ask the UK to make internal checks.

Righto. Off you fuck then.

One way this could pan out is ROI having to exercise more control over its borders land and sea borders with the UK. Now there's a hot potatoe.

Well quite! That's the issue of the hard border Ireland did not want. There are a lot of right wingers in the UK who would love one. Quite a sliding tile puzzle this

A hard border would not be great for NI economy.

Yes it has an effect on you and I understand why it’s not wanted but countries can only respond with their border policies not returns, if there’s no agreement

Maybe it’ll swing votes for other solutions such as border control in pp or have an impact in the upcoming European Parliament elections

Migration is a big factor for all countries atm, it’s going to just increase

That is why it is so important that each country takes their fair share.
Hopefully the next UK government will be different.

Yes just another chapter in the never ending brexit shit show. It will stir up lots of trouble between Shin Fein and the Ulster Unionists if this develops.

This is just anecdotal, and I am not having at go minorities; but I have seen more migrants passing through Stranraer (If you live outside UK this is the main port for travel from Scotland in UK to NI)

Yes but a lot of right wing Brexit people hate the Windsor Framework. NI is doing well out of the arrangement made. If you hate the EU then they want rid of it! They want this hard border!

The UK has changed. Ireland should not make assumptions that its political leaders are even interested in the CTA which is not legally binding btw. That is important to note.

One of the effects of Brexit is that the UK is less interested in not just Europe but also Ireland. If we have hard borders, and we are becoming less connected as a series of islands, then neither side can assume stuff like the CTA will be sacrosanct. I think that culturally what we did share via that agreement will shrink. That is the logic of Brexit. No links to Europe. Ireland is part of the EU. That's the message the UK government is giving.

Yes, Brexit has been such a disaster for the UK.

What we should do is open up migrant centres in NI and place all the dinghy immigrants coming in via the EU there.

This will be the fastest way to shake the EU and force them to look at their open door policy and fix their borders.

I attended a discussion on what the future UK would look like in 20 to 30 years. Obviously there was a lot of speculation. But this point about less European influence was pretty clear. The UK would be drawing migration from other countries which would influence it in the alternative.

London had a large Irish population or originating population when I moved here. But that is changing too, and quickly. So you can never say things are forever.