"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

I’m a bit confused about not begrudging free healthcare to people in Ireland. Only those few with a medical card, or the GP visit care are afforded that. Otherwise you even have to pay for children to visit a GP in Ireland. I have always had to pay, and for my offspring as well. Although money goes to the health service via tax, many have to take out private insurance as well if they don’t have a medical card.

It is certainly not the same as the British NHS? I never got used not having to put my hand in my pocket when I, or offspring, visited the GP.

Do you think more governments should be like the Taliban ? They actively prevent people leaving. Some do manage to leave and even fewer make their way to Europe. With few legal routes on offer, people are forced to make illegal journeys and then they claim asylum - that is legal. illegal immigration is a different thing.

Iran and Turkey have the most refugees per capita - not the developed world.

Are you located in the UK, Molly. Universal free health care at point of use (non emergency situations) in not the Irish healthcare model. Unless you are one of the few with a medical card, or gp visit card (I think that does children up to 8, and am not sure it covers everything) you have to pay for routine medical care in Ireland. Every single visit. GP prices can vary, at least equivalent to 50 pounds each visit. Even children over 8 have to be paid for too.

Now you can fork out extra for private medical insurance (as very many do). It may afford some more affordable payment schemes.

Under 8’s have free GP care. I would love a completely free GP system for everyone but yes, this is not the case. Healthcare is more than the GP . However I wouldn’t begrudge healthcare for anyone that can’t afford it. Asylum seekers living in the direct provision system get around €40 a week - they can’t afford a GP visit.
Even if you are “lucky” to get the increased payment because you live in a tent , it would be a stretch to pay.

If someone had a heart attack in the street do you think they should be refused treatment? What about cancer treatment? Or a regular prescription that keeps someone well?

I’m located in Ireland and I completely understand the healthcare system. I would love a completely free healthcare system and I don’t begrudge a cent of my tax being spent on people who can’t afford healthcare.

@mollyfolk A heart attack in the street is an emergency situation, and they are covered by the Irish healthcare system. Most families have to fork out for the other routine type of healthcare. Expensive GP visits for adults and children. The income caps for a medical card is quite low. I’d say there are lots of people who have to pay when they can’t really afford the costs, but they have to. Or try to weigh up if their child will get better with a few days in bed, or if it will turn serious.

I think this is a separate issue to the issue of asylum seekers getting medical cards basically. Yes I agree the healthcare system needs an overhaul. But also Asylum seekers cannot afford basic health care and I don’t begrudge them their medical cards.
The income limit for a GP card is 373€ a week and I believe this should apply to everyone.

it’s not free to get emergency care, I don’t think: I have been charged 100€ because I don’t have a medical card.

on the one hand I’m supposed to be scared of all these young men and on the other I’m supposed to be worried that will cost us in GP visits. Doesn’t really add up for starters.

But the British have been having to deal with France's mess for years. Ireland didn't give a damn about that. But now suddenly it's Ireland's problem and they're blaming the UK, when actually the fault is way before that!

Of course the UK government need to deal with the EU commission not just Ireland on this. It's a continent wide problem and it needs a continent wide solution.

And did you care about importing the third world when it was people going to Greece, Italy, France, UK?

Where has that collaborative european community spirit gone or was that only viable for you while ireland was receiving money to build its roads?

How can you talk of begrudging free health care when so many of your people have profited off the NHS?

Don’t worry Keir’s ‘elite border force’ and stop and search will certainly ensure everyone who gets here stays in the U.K. after he’s in

The biggest load of rubbish yet

We’re going to interrogate migrants in a boat, a large majority who get asylum and will then stay elite force or not

None of whom know much more than a guy with a fake name sold a place on an overpacked boat, the guy doesn’t know who’s selling boats and certainly doesn’t know who is at the top running trafficking networks

And Starmer is going to clean up trafficking by have a good old chat with officers

JFC

Fucking hell Cooper

Not sure if they believe what they’re saying or just think the electorate will. If they do believe it I’m embarrassed by them

It’s pure idiocy, they can’t even answer what they’ll do with a trafficker in Iraq

Emergency hospital care is free in Ireland. If you have a health emergency and you need to be hospitalised, that will be paid for. For those who don’t have a medical card etc, if you are referred to A+E/ Emergency Department by your doctor, it is also free. If you go there yourself without any referral, and don’t need to be admitted it is 100 Euro. If you need to be admitted, even if you turned up without a referral, this emergency fee is waived, probably as that is a true emergency. No penalty for medical card holders if they turn up to A+E with no referral, and do not need to be hospitalised.

Well, you brought up that you don’t begrudge healthcare to anyone. I thought that a very strange thing to say vis a vis Ireland as routine healthcare has to be paid for by most people. Whether they can really afford it or not. After tax (which funds the free healthcare for others), mortgages, childcare, transport etc.

I don’t begrudge healthcare to anyone. Ideally we would have an NHS system but we don’t. As the system is now, I think everyone who can’t afford healthcare should have a medical card including asylum seekers.

Is this really such a strange position to take?

I don't know about the healthcare system in Ireland; is it that you pay a certain fee if you can afford it? Those who cannot get the same care however?

Yes, people on very low income and /or people on welfare don't have to pay to go to the doctor. If the doc refers you on to the hospital, nobody has to pay but some people have private health insurance and there are private hospitals.
So we now have a situation where people like myself earning a mere 40k per annum have to pay to go to see a doctor but the government is using my taxes to pay for free GPs for people who keep coming illegally. It's not them I'm angry with, it's the government.

For those who don’t have a medical card etc, if you are referred to A+E/ Emergency Department by your doctor, it is also free. If you go there yourself without any referral, and don’t need to be admitted it is 100 Euro. If you need to be admitted, even if you turned up without a referral, this emergency fee is waived, probably as that is a true emergency.

Not the point of the thread I know, but one of the things I don't like about this system is that there are 'true' emergencies that you do need to attend the Emergency Dept for...but you rarely need to be admitted for. So you end up paying a €100 fee that many people can ill-afford. Being above the cut-off for the medical card doesn't mean you're not struggling with the cost of living.

For example, in the case of an anaphylatic reaction the advised procedure is to go straight to A&E (NB not the GP). This is true even if the reaction has resolved because you've administered your epipen. Anyphylaxis can return after an interval and you need to be monitored for several hours as an outpatient. The epipen gives you time to get to a hospital.

Many people don't do this, partly because they don't want to hang around A&E for hours, but often simply because of the cost involved. They take their chances instead.
So it can be dangerous to have these charges in place.

Unsurprisingly not much on mn on Starmer’s terrible approach

We are going to have much greater problems than Ireland soon

Iirc though, that bill isn't a barrier at the time. It can be dealt with after.

Yes,@DanielGault, but that's not much good if you know you can't afford the €100 charge.
People do avoid attending because of it.

I'd be in that demographic so I know. But I go if I need to. And they have not been too bad in getting their money tbh. It's the cost of a longer stay I'd be more worried about tbh, I wasn't really aware of it. Afaik it's capped, but I got a bill for 800 quid for a long stay and I just laughed. I have no way of paying it like. But my credit rating was shot already so I just had to say that can go with the rest of the bills. And unfortunately, it comes after food, heat, clothes, school. So they'll be waiting.

@DanielGault did you get an 800€ charge for being an inpatient? That’s shocking.

that’s very true - I was charged 100 euro for an emergency visit with my DD. It was life threatening if not treated immediately but did not require an inpatient stay. Also broken bones ect….

Perhaps asylum seekers suffering from or dying from treatable illness would make some people feel better about having to pay for the doctor 🙄

Or on a purely practical level - because in reality hospital care won’t be refused - they would get treated anyway but not at GP level - which ends up costing more anyway.

I did indeed. Now I'd be entitled to a medical card I think but due to MH issues I couldn't get my shit together enough to apply for it so that's my fault. But I hadn't realised I'd be getting a bill. It was a three month (ISH) stay though so in all honesty it's not such bad value. When you think of the costs involved in treating me.

It's €80 per night capped at 10 nights per year for admissions. Anyone with a child in school should get the cheap insurance under €10 per year 24 hour cover and that will cover any A&E visits and the insurance companies are very quick to pay up.