"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

No I mean it is utter shite to say "the left-wing Labour lot have no plans to deport anyone"

Who will they deport?

The pp was presumably talking about the deportation scheme which will end, who do you mean specifically?

The evidence will rear its head one labour are in number 10 and show that it is you that is chatting massive, "utter shite" and that's a fact.

Well I'm amused that at least @DistinguishedSocialCommentator accepts the Conservatives are likely to lose! After all, on this premise, it would mean migrants are anxiously watching the election outcome. If that really were true, they would have known Rishi Sunak is dead meat electorally and stayed in the UK based on Labour getting in...

I don’t get that argument, deportation is pre GE that’s why the flow has increased in that direction

So you think Rishi is right and people are heading to Ireland via Norm Iron because of his Rwanda fiasco?

I think you may be getting confused. Deportation isn't the same thing as "crazy scheme to send a very tiny number of people to Rwanda to have their claims considered". Labour doesn't endorse the Rwanda plan, it's true - but that is just because it's a stupid, impractical, money-wasting gimmick that won't achieve anything, not because they don't have any plans to deport people.

I think it’s up to Ireland to look at their figures

Pieces of info that stand out include the 80% over the NI border which is below, and that the flow of people has reversed since the agreement was reached

It’s up to Ireland if the narrative is down to recent UK policy or not, as they will know more about how many people and when

The Uk deports people all the time - nothing to do with Rwanda. There is no reason to suggest that will change if we have a Labour government.

The thread is quite long but it’s this recent spike, plus talk of increased crossing over NI border plus returns to U.K. which are current

Interesting that the Irish Times article linked to makes no mention at all of the UK's Rwanda plan. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

This one does. But as I say it’s up to Ireland to look at numbers, direction of travel and timing

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/rwanda-bill-causing-migrants-to-opt-for-ireland-deputy-pm-says-13123078

This summarizes it neatly. Ignore who is in power, Labour or Conservative does not matter. It's the existence of the Rwanda law that matters. Labour may not use it, but its existence will still mean Ireland cannot make a lawful return.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/05/08/michael-mcdowell-irelands-capacity-to-control-migration-in-a-policy-driven-sustainable-way-is-broken/

We have to stop them from coming in the first place. We give these people 113.80 a week for being here illegally. Somebody who's worked for a few years and has every right to be here only gets 233 if they lose their job. Madness.

Are you talking about Ireland?

They get €38.80 a week. food vouchers if they aren’t in the direct provision system.

The ones in tents are getting 113.80

Aw yes I see - it’s newer payment. I don’t know if it’s overly generous to receive 113 a week if you are living in a tent. It’s not enough to pay for somewhere to live - it’s enough to feed yourself and pay to wash your clothes and buy toiletries ect. They are hardly living the life of Riley in tents.

What would you prefer?

I wonder if traffickers are marketing Ireland route via the U.K. capitalising on concerns over deportation

If that’s their new sales tactic then imo it would be effective

It's not going to dissuade them from coming so yes it is too much. We are importing the third world.

They and their families (who are no doubt on their way) get free gp appointments and free hospital care.
We are so weak and so stupid.

It is frightening on many levels to see these worries driven underground.

I think this is a serious concern.
Brexit happened, and one of the reasons it did was that there was a vast number of people who felt disenfranchised, impoverished and deprived of jobs in their communities. Many of the arguments put forward by Remainers seemed irrelevant to them. So they voted. Out.The fact it all turned to shit and they’d been lied to didn’t change the fact that their concerns had been mocked and dismissed.
Do you want people to feel the same way about immigration and their concerns? To decide that acting outwith the law is justified, because the law doesn’t protect them, or take their fears seriously? So they might as well act first to deal with what they perceive as a threat?
That win’t end well for anyone. Or society as a whole.

I couldn’t begrudge anyone healthcare and I hope we never get to the point of doing that. They are human beings at the end of the day.

Even if people are here illegally (and illegal immigrates and asylum seekers are two different things) everyone deserves healthcare.

The “third world” is not on the way here. Until we took in Ukrainian refugees, because of our location we had one of the lowest numbers of refugees in Europe.

Their families could not come here easily until their claim is assessed and they receive refugee status.

I’m sure at the end of the day, we can all agree that people need a legal route to flee war and persecution. All human life is important and wanting to make arrivals suffer so that more don’t come is immoral.

Their own country should be saying "they are human beings afterall" but no, they let them go to Europe. No need to look after your own citizens when Europe is importing the third world. I went to the doctor last week and it was 65 euro. I pay taxes and men who arrive illegally can go to the doc for free.

If we keep making it attractive for the to come, they will keep coming.
We need for them to send the message back home "no, no free money here"

But I won't hold my breath

When the Irish government are talking about Uk asylum seekers coming here they are talking about people who have already a live asylum claim in the UK or have a failed claim.

i mean you could be right but it would possible to send people back if there was real coordination with the UK. It would be completely impossible to send people back if they had no trace of being in the UK.