"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

I think legally it actually has a very interesting effect. And a problematic one for any country trying to return migrants to the UK.

So the scheme is not likely to work or there are legal problems in ECHR terms. However, to make a ruling that the UK is actually a safe country with this legislation in place is a serious question. It is that question that will still prevent a return because a court will say "no". As it did before.

I note a lot of discussion on direct returns in the Irish press. Truthfully that it is a bit of softening up for the reality that if the UK and the rest of the EU do not cooperate, then Ireland will be doing this, and all that comes with it. It is actually what is legally and operationally possibly now.

I think the other elephant is the non-vetting issue.

When Blair started this, I remember a gay colleague moving back to his homeland because he was worried that many Eastern European migrants were homophobic, and he feared a change in our culture.

Then there was the issue of destroyed records, or sexual crimes being classified differently in other EE countries (eg rape = sexual misconduct).

Some of those fears, thirty years ago, were founded.

And now it’s an almost exclusively male immigrant profile, totally unvetted, propping up a system of people trafficking, from cultures that do not respect women.

Even one acid attack, rape or murder is too many. But we have seen them.

An Irish woman who said that made her afraid was called a racist.

It will be implemented on a very small scale to look like they are doing something.
But financially and logistically its not feasible on a larger scale.
It's all policics from the Tories.

What does your last para refer to, ie direct return?

Not sure what that is

But it’s small scale threat only now and it’s re routing people to Ireland

@EasternStandard - a direct return will be I think the most uncomfortable thing for Ireland politically - returning an asylum seeker directly to the country of origin after their claim is refused. That seems to be the only route left, lawfully.

As a nation of emigrants, Ireland can and should take more immigrants.

Finlesswonder do you think there should be any limit on the number of immigrants Ireland takes?

Ireland need to look like they are doing something. The electorate would not be happy to see the government sitting back and doing nothing.

But the Rwanda plan won't have a massive long term implication on numbers as its just not feasible to implement.

Immigration will continue to increase in Ireland, as it will in the UK and throughout Europe.

As long as we all deal respectfully with each other we will work it and hopefully the next government in the UK will do so.

@Finlesswonder
Ireland is taking its fair share of immigrants. Maybe the UK could consider taking its fair share! Instead of as usual creating drama for everyone else!

@Finlesswonder and also educate yourself on what the Irish starting emigrating in mass?,... FFS UK education/brainwashing system!!

It's a storm in a teacup.
The threat is most likely to mean that asylum seekers will remain in the UK but not engage with authorities, not attend their meetings etc. Not ideal really.

But you’re already seeing the result of the threat now with extra people

Why Will that change once it actually starts?

It's not going to happen on a large scale, it's just a threat.
Ireland might see a small increase but most will remain in the UK disappearing into the system, never processed.

@Evanna13 - yes the timescale is the next government now. It is very clear that there will not be any cooperation in the next six months or as long this UK government is in place. In fact they will just become more delighted by the reaction in Ireland which is a rare treat.

They are very right wing and they are likely to lose and very badly, but this particular hot button is going to be pressed every time Ireland talks about the UK in terms as if it were still as it was in the EU. For a Brexiteer it is a rare gift to see this discomfort in Ireland after their perception that Ireland weaponized the border. That is what is thought now.

Yes the UK far right are delighted and will present it to suit their own narrative. There will be some who believe it.

But I think you are right and they will lose massively in the next GE.

I would get a bit real however on those cooperation timescales. Labour in power will be different from Labour in opposition, and probably this issue is not first on the list of things they want to do.

I would however expect them to a lot less publicly rude!

People could do that now but instead they are choosing Ireland, I’m wondering why that would change once it’s happening

The other thing is traffickers have better marketing and financing than almost anyone, if they see a profitable selling opportunity they’ll use it. And once you get networks selling a route it’s pretty much impossible to stop

Unless you go full Aus / Albania returns

People are doing it now.
Rishi is talking about Ireland because it suits his narrative.
The other absoutley does not.

But you are talking about it in Ireland, it’s not really in the press much now here

You still feel you have the problem?

The issue of immigrants is in the press here still and has been the case long before this blew up.
Sadly many did not have accommadion last night and had to sleep in tents.

It's a huge issue for all of Europe right now.

That is true it is but I mean the issue which prompted the headlines and claims that 80% were crossing from NI, which came from Ireland as a press release I assume

If the only option is direct returns as in pp then they may just quietly stop highlighting an unresolvable issue

The issue of immigration is very much still forefront in the press here as I said previously.

They are working on faster processing. This is easier for asylum seekers from some countries more than others.

We have to remember that these are people at the end of the day, they have had to flee their homes and many are separated from their families. Looking at the photos is heartbreaking.

Yes you’ll still see immigration at the forefront, I think we all will, but the 80% plus returns line might disappear if it’s not resolvable

If UK policy is causing a problem here the govt will be more than happy to highlight it. They love to have someone to blame!

True : )

maybe they’ll drop the returns part and just do the blaming

Sunak will be happy to have the press on how much it’s diverting people though