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To be so disappointed about not being thanked for a dinner party

337 replies

Sosospring · 21/04/2024 21:06

We are a small group of friends who go out for dinner together every 2-3 months or so. It's just three couples so a small group. Anyway, one of them couldn't make the scheduled dinner so we have decided to invite the rest to our house for a dinner party. We put a lot of time, money and effort to get the best food, cook all three courses from scratch, get expensive wines etc... it was a lot of money and work. I thought it went well, everyone was laughing and the food was good. Although one of them was still very hangover from a couple of days earlier and one was very tired from traveling for work..I understand this and any occasional yawns because people are tired from work and having kids. But aibu to be really upset about not having received even one text today to thank us for the evening? They obviously all said thank you as they left last night but the silence today felt a bit deafening. If we ever happen to go to theirs for a party, we always make sure to send a thank you text the day after and so does everyone else. Am I being unreasonable to feel quite upset about receiving nothing at all? Is it normal?

OP posts:
NewName24 · 23/04/2024 00:22

As mentioned earlier, I'm not even British and I don't do cards at all, for birthdays, Christmas etc. cards are a very British and formal thing. But I do text and I call and I reach out to people individually to show them I care and I remember.

So there you are @Sosospring , clearly stating that there is a cultural difference between the social niceties that you feel are quite important, and those that other people might feel are important.

Your friends might be thinking, every Christmas, how rude you are for not sending them a Christmas card, but clearly they accept that despite the fact you don't send them a card, they still enjoy your company, so they put this perceived rudeness down to the fact it isn't a 'thing' in your culture, in the same way that having to thank a host twice for the same meal, just isn't a thing in their or my culture.

Aswellisnotoneword · 23/04/2024 01:07

TheaBrandt · 22/04/2024 19:55

I find the non thanking arguments strange.

We’ve already said thank you once isn’t that enough / accusing the hosts of wanting accolades ?! Wtf. It’s a lot of work hosting and that needs to be acknowledged in the cold light of day or the host can feel abit used. What wrong with appreciating efforts made for you at minimal personal cost? If you are on mumsnet you can post “thank you for last night delicious food and great company “. Why would you not?

Well I can only speak for myself here of course - it just never occurred to me.

I am always very grateful to be included in social events and especially if hosted in a person's home. I express that gratitude thoroughly and most genuinely, before during and after the event - just not generally in a text. Because it never really occurred to me that the thanks I do give could be seen as not enough. My parents were hopeless socially and never taught me any of this stuff.

I'll definitely be texting in future though, I'd hate to think my host was sitting around the next day second guessing themselves.

MariaVT65 · 23/04/2024 01:59

DivisionOfTasks · 22/04/2024 16:12

Why do people say this nonsense?? Do you think posts only ever happen once on MN? That once a topic has been ‘used’ it can never be posted again? That’s there are not new users every day? That people might have missed the first thread? That more than one person can have the same experience?

What was the point of this I’ve definitely seen this posted before. ?

Lol feel better now you’ve got that off your chest?

DivisionOfTasks · 23/04/2024 06:04

MariaVT65 · 23/04/2024 01:59

Lol feel better now you’ve got that off your chest?

Yes actually. I might copy and paste it and use it every time someone posts this tedious crap!

MariaVT65 · 23/04/2024 06:14

DivisionOfTasks · 23/04/2024 06:04

Yes actually. I might copy and paste it and use it every time someone posts this tedious crap!

You do you and continue to get angry about absolutely nothing lol.

SeulementUneFois · 23/04/2024 06:23

I think this is key from the OP:

" However, after most nights, we tend to send messages on our whatsapp group saying "it was a great night, we had so much fun. thanks for arranging xx". There was nothing today."

Tarteline843 · 23/04/2024 07:13

Call me old fashioned but I really, really, hate the prevailing entitled attitude that some pps have mentioned here, that just because someone wants to do something pleasant for someone else, eg they obviously wanted to host, so the thanking aspect isn’t important.

You could extrapolate that to any scenario where a person does something nice for someone else eg Aunt Maude really wanted to buy my dc a present so doesn’t require a thank you.

It is possible as a host to thoroughly enjoy people’s company and the overall experience of planning and cooking and serving but still find the other aspects like food shopping and washing up a bit tedious.

I think people who don’t host, don’t fully realise what goes in to it. Or people haven’t thought about what it involves. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that I often receive the most thoughtful thank you messages from those who cook and entertain themselves.

Plus ingredients are expensive nowadays. We have stopped entertaining as much, because the price of everything has really shot up and it’s just not possible for anything but a very special occasion.

So yes if someone among our friendship group goes to the time, trouble and the cost of entertaining at home, then we will thank them verbally afterwards and follow up with a text or email the next day because we are truly grateful. And as that Debrett’s advice says, to allay any worries they may have had about the evening too.

I agree with pp who says it’s good to reciprocate too, and not accept too much hospitality if you are not going to return it in an equivalent way, like a meal out if you don’t want to cook yourself.

shepherdsangeldelight · 23/04/2024 07:43

Call me old fashioned but I really, really, hate the prevailing entitled attitude that some pps have mentioned here, that just because someone wants to do something pleasant for someone else, eg they obviously wanted to host, so the thanking aspect isn’t important.

I don't think a single person has said the thanking aspect is not important.
This whole thread has focused on whether thanking verbally is sufficient for a dinner party or whether it needs to be supplemented the following day.
OP wanted a message on the group chat. Others have suggested individual text message. Someone posted an excerpt from Debretts which suggested that for a dinner party it was appropriate to send written thanks.

The only thing to take away from this is that there is no "accepted" way of doing things. In OP's case, where these sound like good friends, if she's as upset as she seems to be, I have no idea why she doesn't just raise it with them.

I do wonder whether the "we always post messages on the group chat after a night out" are always initiated by her and others just copy, or not really "thanks" but more casual chat, if they normally go for a meal out.

MariaVT65 · 23/04/2024 07:45

Tarteline843 · 23/04/2024 07:13

Call me old fashioned but I really, really, hate the prevailing entitled attitude that some pps have mentioned here, that just because someone wants to do something pleasant for someone else, eg they obviously wanted to host, so the thanking aspect isn’t important.

You could extrapolate that to any scenario where a person does something nice for someone else eg Aunt Maude really wanted to buy my dc a present so doesn’t require a thank you.

It is possible as a host to thoroughly enjoy people’s company and the overall experience of planning and cooking and serving but still find the other aspects like food shopping and washing up a bit tedious.

I think people who don’t host, don’t fully realise what goes in to it. Or people haven’t thought about what it involves. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that I often receive the most thoughtful thank you messages from those who cook and entertain themselves.

Plus ingredients are expensive nowadays. We have stopped entertaining as much, because the price of everything has really shot up and it’s just not possible for anything but a very special occasion.

So yes if someone among our friendship group goes to the time, trouble and the cost of entertaining at home, then we will thank them verbally afterwards and follow up with a text or email the next day because we are truly grateful. And as that Debrett’s advice says, to allay any worries they may have had about the evening too.

I agree with pp who says it’s good to reciprocate too, and not accept too much hospitality if you are not going to return it in an equivalent way, like a meal out if you don’t want to cook yourself.

Still disagree and think the approach of ‘needing to thank twice’ is OTT and not necessary.

My friends and I invite eachother and eachother’s little kids round for dinner sometimes. Effort goes into it of course, like shopping for ingredients and planning a meal that everyone will eat including kids. I let my house get into a mess while the kids play which I have to tidy up afterwards. Of course at the end of the evening, we thank eachother.

What we then don’t do, or need to do, is go through an ‘automatic process’ of texting eachother again the next day just to say thanks. That is because we have busy lives, we’ve already said thank you, but mostly because it was a pleasure for all of us and we are secure in our friendships. It doesn’t enter our minds that the other person is rude or ungrateful for thanking twice.

curiositykilledthiscat · 23/04/2024 07:49

@MariaVT65 The gatherings you describe are different to the one OP put together as in seemingly more effort and - perhaps - more expense. Also that was the first time she’d hosted.

shepherdsangeldelight · 23/04/2024 07:52

Also that was the first time she’d hosted.

I wonder how many times her friends have hosted? Personally, I think taking equal shares of "doing the work" is showing more thought and appreciation for your friends, than a 2 minute text the following day.

MariaVT65 · 23/04/2024 07:56

curiositykilledthiscat · 23/04/2024 07:49

@MariaVT65 The gatherings you describe are different to the one OP put together as in seemingly more effort and - perhaps - more expense. Also that was the first time she’d hosted.

How snobby.

Effort is all relative. Cooking a 3 course meal may take the same effort to an absolutely exhausted mum hosting several people for dinner and chaos. For what it’s worth, I also offer wine to my mum friends if they want it.

Pottedpalm · 23/04/2024 08:02

I would expect, and would receive, messages the following day. I don’t expect written thank you notes, but I do receive them. An elderly male friend always sends a most beautiful card ( one of his artworks) and writes in glorious copperplate; our DiL and SiL both also write thank you cards, though I keep
telling them there is no need.
I’m still annoyed not to have received a thank you ( not even a text) for the wedding gift given to a nephew a year ago. Very bad manners.

Tarteline843 · 23/04/2024 08:32

shepherdsangeldelight · 23/04/2024 07:43

Call me old fashioned but I really, really, hate the prevailing entitled attitude that some pps have mentioned here, that just because someone wants to do something pleasant for someone else, eg they obviously wanted to host, so the thanking aspect isn’t important.

I don't think a single person has said the thanking aspect is not important.
This whole thread has focused on whether thanking verbally is sufficient for a dinner party or whether it needs to be supplemented the following day.
OP wanted a message on the group chat. Others have suggested individual text message. Someone posted an excerpt from Debretts which suggested that for a dinner party it was appropriate to send written thanks.

The only thing to take away from this is that there is no "accepted" way of doing things. In OP's case, where these sound like good friends, if she's as upset as she seems to be, I have no idea why she doesn't just raise it with them.

I do wonder whether the "we always post messages on the group chat after a night out" are always initiated by her and others just copy, or not really "thanks" but more casual chat, if they normally go for a meal out.

I don't think a single person has said the thanking aspect is not important.
This whole thread has focused on whether thanking verbally is sufficient for a dinner party or whether it needs to be supplemented the following day.
OP wanted a message on the group chat. Others have suggested individual text message. Someone posted an excerpt from Debretts which suggested that for a dinner party it was appropriate to send written thanks.

I’m very aware that no one has said thanking is not important! The thread has moved on. I was broadening out the point and responding to several posters who said that the host obviously “wanted” to entertain as if that was connected to the thanking aspect, and I was responding to that specific point.

mjf981 · 23/04/2024 09:17

YABU OP.
They said thank you on leaving. None of my group would text the next day to thank the host again. Its just not the done thing. So if I was your friend, I'd be in the bad books as well.

Calliopespa · 23/04/2024 09:19

mjf981 · 23/04/2024 09:17

YABU OP.
They said thank you on leaving. None of my group would text the next day to thank the host again. Its just not the done thing. So if I was your friend, I'd be in the bad books as well.

Well I think the “ done thing” is subjective .

Beesevenoaks · 23/04/2024 17:54

Agree

Beesevenoaks · 23/04/2024 17:55

Always text the next day to say thank you, or frankly, you won’t be asked again!

crowisland · 23/04/2024 17:56

I think it is a combination of social class, education and generation. FWIW I have a couple friends who always write a thank you card, but everyone else texts or sends an email. Always. If one grows up with this as the norm, anything that falls short is extremely bad manners. Equally, arriving to a dinner empty handed is bad manners

TheaBrandt · 23/04/2024 18:01

Hopefully no one ever does that! Beyond cringe.

Judecb · 23/04/2024 18:04

I would be extremely p'd off, if after going to all that trouble and expense, nobody had the good manners to thank me!

FuzzyWuzzyWuzABear · 23/04/2024 18:14

Judecb · 23/04/2024 18:04

I would be extremely p'd off, if after going to all that trouble and expense, nobody had the good manners to thank me!

That wasn't what happened though.

The OP was thanked at the time.

She just wanted to be thanked again the following day.

CWigtownshire · 23/04/2024 18:15

I would always follow up with a phone call or text at least.

dcthatsme · 23/04/2024 18:28

Wow I'm with you OP but it's interesting how many people think saying thank you as you leave is enough. The same thing happened recently to me and I was quite surprised and a bit upset. Perhaps it's become the norm. I always make a point of keeping the vibe going and saying thanks for cooking for us and it was lovely to see you etc after a day or two. I am aware how much effort goes into cooking something nice for other people or hosting a party and I really appreciate it. But I guess if a majority think it's normal behaviour then there's no point in our being upset or hurt.

ilovegranny · 23/04/2024 18:38

Oh God, I had a friend who expected a carefully chosen thank you card to arrive, in the post, within 24 hours of anything - dinner, birthday gift, random occasion where she considered she had put herself out. I’m of the generation who learned to send thank you letters, but not necessarily the minute I arrived home. She would say, sadly, that she hadn’t received my thank you card, and maybe there was something wrong with the post, or I had got the address wrong. She used to buy me packs of thank you cards as a Christmas present! Extreme example, I know, and she was nuts and is no longer a friend, but it was awful. If, by good fortune, I sent one that arrived within the acceptable timescale, she would make sure she thanked me…

Saying thank you is important; it doesn’t matter how, as long as it’s genuine and not a month later.

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