For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

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You don’t think all the millions being sent to Rwanda could be used to improve the NHS? Of course we can afford tax funded universal healthcare, we just need to re prioritise how the money’s spent.

Scrapping HS2 would free up a few billions for a start.

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@AdamRyan
The only reason the Tories are showing any interest in gender politics is because they think it might win them the election

You'll be shocked to learn this is how political parties work. They choose policies that people like, in order to win votes.

The Tories absolutely hate people like me. Forced into lone parenthood with a disabled child, they'd prefer us to be euthanised. If you think this party support women, you are deluded.

No.

Rwanda is a drop in the ocean compared to what the NHS needs. The same old examples of money misspent (Rwanda, PPE, HS2 etc) are always used when it is nowhere enough money to fill gaping holes we have in health and social care provision.

We need to get away from this idea that we have the money to afford everything we want and need if only we could prioritise properly. This would only be achieved through a crazy level of taxation that the population wouldn't tolerate and would stifle economic growth so would be counter productive anyway. The idea that you can live your whole life not paying a great deal into the system and then be able to access unlimited health care and social care is bonkers. Do you have any idea how much this costs? There simply aren't enough net contributors to carry this massive burden. We need to wise up and get more sensible about this otherwise we are sleepwalking into a catastrophic situation where people being stuck on hospital trollies will be the least of our worries.

But education is a commodity like everything else. Education costs - teachers, books, technology, facilities cost. We do what we can to make them accessible but there is always a cost borne by someone. I accept that.

However, there is never a justification to add to the burden, for a government to 'take their cut'.

Tax alcohol or gambling or flying or smoking, performance cars, designer clothes, tattoos, - none are necessary, none have a communal benefit, but having a more educated population is always a benefit to us all.

Everyone must vote best for how they feel. I will vote ABC (Anyone but Conservative, tactical on the basis of anyone but Tory), but, of course, the Tories will still have thrir supporters.

But, most of this stuff, about Women’s rights been encroached upon, and concerning biological females, has only arisen during 14 years of Tory rule. 😗

I agree with your views on gender, but the Tories have already half destroyed the country and will surely finish the job if given more time in power. This election is too important to be so focused on a single issue.

People who can afford to send their children to private schools shouldn't be whining about paying tax on the fees. It is a luxury. And children in state education are being failed by a system that's on it's knees.

The I can dial 999 and an ambulance comes when I need it anyone can call me she/he/they/it or whatever they like.

Which women? Are you talking about actual women or the ones with penises? If we can't establish that, your post is irrelevant, funds to eradicate discrimination will likely go to women with penises because they are the most discriminated against women. I think you'll find they're not too fussed about Sure start and your other quaint little ideas.

I don't take your position but I understand where you're coming from. Several of my GC friends have said they won't vote Labour because of this, even though they have always done so previously.

I am GC and detest the Labourb party's position on biological sex, but at the end of the day I have to look at the overall picture. I'm going to have to vote for the party that is most likely to oust the Tories. Where I live, that's going to be the Lib Dems

But education is a commodity like everything else.

Food and housing then. Water. Clean air. All commodities and all fair game to make money from.

Now I personally don't subscribe to the "all or nothing" view. However Tories and their lickspittle acolytes most certainly do.

The definition of a Tory is not someone who "knows what a woman is". It's someone who knows what a profit is, and how to get you to make it for them.

All the recent problems with the trans spat are because - guess what ? Yes. Someone saw a way to make money from "trans issues".

I'm also not a simplistic socialist who believes all property is theft. There is a middle ground. Although right now it may as well be no mans land.

Who's hands? Women's rights a culture war, really? Go tell that to the suffragettes.

The idea that you can live your whole life not paying a great deal into the system and then be able to access unlimited health care and social care is bonkers.

So bonkers that it worked perfectly well from 1945 until 2010. 🙄

Quite.

It makes me despair that there are those who have no thought for people worse off than them and stride on into Toryism without looking around them.

They should be working to improve things, not damage what we already have.

The Tories have done such a great job of this right across the board. Or maybe not.

As soon as I read the title I knew this would be “because tories know what a woman is”. 🙄

Yes they do - women are to be demonised (single mothers), abused, assaulted, ridiculed and forced into desperate poverty with support services that primarily support women slashed to the bone. Vote Tory if you want but FFS don’t dress it up as a vote for women 🤬.

This is ridiculous!

Policies should always been formulated in a sensible way in terms of what is best for the country. People sending their children to private school is great for the government as it relieves them of the burden of having to educate them. The money saved from not having to educate all these private school kids can be ploughed into improving state schools. If anything, the government should be attempting to get as many kids as possible off the books to free up more places and funds. If just a proportion of kids end up coming back into the state system due to the fee increases then this will eat into any money raised through the VAT increases pretty quickly and will start putting even more pressure on school places.

It makes me despair that there are those who have no thought for people worse off than them

That is Toryism. It really is. It's the really really thick as mince people who can't quite complete the paraphrase "There is no such thing as society"

I'm not pretending anything, that's why I can't bore for a party where there is any ambiguity as to what a woman is and what that entails.

Please point me to any actual policy they have. I haven't seen a sniff of a policy about this from them which is why it's even more surprising some women think they are worth voting for on this basis.

I completely agree everyone has to weigh up their priorities and make their own choices.

If I thought it was a choice between Sunak and a Labour leader promising a well funded public sector paid for by higher taxes , I'd probably reach the same conclusion as you, and say that the gender stuff has to be balanced against all the wider political concerns. But IMO it's a choice between Sunak and a Labour leader who is only slightly to the left of Starmer, so that makes it a harder choice for me. I've only ever voted Labour but not sure what I'll do this time.