For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

I'd be happy to vote for Labour if they were going to make women's lives better. Small snag: first you have to know what a woman is - they don't.

The Tories (generally) do, but they don't care about them anyway.

The LibDems are so wet they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag - and they don't know what a woman is either.

The Greens exist in lalaland over too many issues and (mostly) think TWAW, so they don't know what a woman is in any case.

The Women's Party is an oxymoron.

I've voted in every general election since 1964. Normally I go along with "it's the economy stupid". But the gender issue is not some little local difficulty. It's one sign of the many pushbacks against women worldwide -whether it's abortion in the US, headscarves in Iran, everything in Afghanistan etc. it is a war on women, and sometimes I fear that the rights I personally fought for in the 60s and 70s are being undermined left, right and centre. So it's a single issue for me this time.

This is what I don't get - self ID etc had flourished under the Tories. They aren't the party for women

Of course the Tories know what a woman is, they need to know who they’re screwing over. You’re unreasonable to think that the Tory ability to identify what a woman is means they are in any way going to promote and protect women’s rights.

Those saying this gas happened on the Tories' watch; Self ID is a "progressive " phenomenon being imported from the US. This would have become a thing regardless of who was in power.

The Tories (bar Rosie Duffield, Joanna Cherry and a few others) are the only party standing up to this. My MP has been quietly solid on this for the past few years. I'll vote for her. She's a Tory.

YANBU. After the Cass review and Victoria Atkins' statement yesterday, I think I'll be voting Tory for the first time ever. I have a child with gender dysphoria, their health is the most important issue for me and I simply can't trust any other party. I think it's fine to be a single issue voter.

This bollocks get trotted out every single time. It's a global phenomenon. If we had any other party in power at Westminster we would be much further down the rabbit hole. It's unthinkable that any other UK political party would have commissioned the Cass Review.

If every transwoman killed 1 woman a year, for the next ten years, that would still be less than were actually killed by austerity.

Christ, that’s a sobering thought. It really puts it in perspective.

I’m more concerned with the live of disabled people. I was a newbie to the benefit system due to having a disabled adult son. The whole process and lack of dignity made me loath the current Government. I was put on hold for hours and constantly scrutinised - it’s a system that my son will not be able to navigate. I’m impressed by Darren Jones and his boss who clearly understands the need to balance the books etc something Liz’s Truss forgot and caused havoc. We benefited initially from LT policy which was unwanted and I recall throwing things at the telly when she announced higher tax payer tax cuts- rather she invested monies into jobs and wealth creation.

And which government has been running education past 14 years and doing nothing to make those shit schools better?
But yes each for their own
Vote how you wish

Quite frankly this country needs stability but since Brexit ( Tory issue) Covid ( world issue ) and Liz Truss there seems to be little of that.

Agree 100 per cent who cares if their elderly mother dies prematurely on a trolley provided its not on a mixed ward. My daughter who is a doctor really doesnt mimd having to beg for a private space for grandchildren and daughters to say goodbye to their lovely dad.

They have done a wonderdul job. Our schools are falling apart food banks are growing at a fantastic rate nothing wrong with eomen going hungry to feed theie kids

I want my daughters to have access to a free and well funded NHS. And decent schools! Both of which will improve their lives . And both will not happen with a tory government

Oh good. We’ve not had a thread about this yet eyeroll

And neither necessitate “knowing what a woman is”.

You're absolutely deluding yourself if you think that the Tories are going to make a better future for your girls.

Ask yourself whether you believe that things have got better for women and girls during the last 14 years of Tory government. If the answer is no, why on earth would you expect anything to suddenly going to change going forwards?

The Tories are clinging to the rhetoric about knowing what a woman is because it is one of their only hopes left in terms of not getting slaughtered at the next election. They are shamelessly exploiting people like you because they believe that you're gullible enough to fall for it. They may be right. The fact is, even if they do know what women are, they don't give a shit about them.

By all means, vote Tory if you're a Tory. But please don't keep pulling this shit about voting Tory because you're a feminist. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny at all.

They have not been running education in Wales, Labour have! Take a look at their results and outcomes and let me know if you still think Labour will do a better job.

The Tories despise women and are using the trans debate as a smokescreen. Trying to get the female vote. Disgraceful and people are falling for it.
The only people they support are middle aged, rich, tax dodging men.
Do not do it for the sake of all humanity.

The only reason the Tories are showing any interest in gender politics is because they think it might win them the election l, or at least stop them hemorrhaging the "anti - woke" vote to reform and minimise the scale of their defeat. Its their election strategy, as leaked by Anderson last year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-should-fight-next-election-29211636.amp

They have no policy for actually doing anything different. Badenoch has been "mulling" strengthening sex based exemptions to the EA for a year now with no action.

They are playing women for fools and it gives me the rage.

The slogan "They know what a woman is" could just as easily apply to the Taliban as the Tories. Maybe they should run Britain ?

Some people aren't deep thinkers.

The NHS is a money pit and Labour don't have a money tree that will be able to improve the situation. As our population gets sicker and older it will become more apparent that it isn't about who is running the country but that we simply can't afford free universal healthcare anymore.

The Labour school fees thing worries me. It has always been a fundamental that education, access to knowledge should not be taxed. Making education - any education - more difficult, less accessible benefits no-one and is plain foolish.

University, swimming lessons, early years, remedial maths, GCSE science tutoring, adult ed. & night school, driving lessons, libraries - none of them should be taxed. They add to our communal knowledge & skills.

Which means the policy comes down to envy & spite. Who wants a government that builds their policy of envy & spite? They should be working to improve things, not damage what we already have.

And the attack on women's rights reeks of old Labour. Old men in charge of the local trade unions, doing all they can to put women back in their ''place'.

That doesn't mean I'm happy to vote for the Tories either. I can cope with Rishi Sunak. But voting for Liz Truss & KK....what in God's name were they thinking?

Which leaves me with few options. The green party are even sillier than Labour. The Lib Dems not much better.

We aren't exactly spoilt for choice, are we !

Vote for who you want.
I don't understand why people get so hostile. Most people are fairly central in their views and veer right and left on a few issues.
Not many people love either party and are just voting for the lesser of the two evils.
Both are pretty shit and neither are going to make the country any better.
They're pretty much all career politicians these days, their priority is to make as much money as possible while they can and have no consideration for the country.
Once we stop fighting each other and blaming the voting decisions of each other for the mess, maybe we can come together and take action ourselves (open to ideas)

'if they were going to make women's lives better. Small snag: first you have to know what a woman is'

No, you DON'T need to know what a woman is to make women's lives better (well, yes if you're a doctor, but not if you're a politician). You need to do two things: make people's lives better in general, and avoid excluding women from these benefits,

The leaders who denied women the vote at all until 1918, and on a fully equal basis until 1928, knew what a woman was, and used this knowledge to exclude women.

The leaders who denied women the right to equal pay until 1976 knew what a woman was, and used this knowledge to deprive women.

The leaders who did not make marital rape a crime in law until 1994 knew what a woman was, and used this knowledge to allow men to abuse women.

The leaders in Afghanistan who deny girls the right to an education, and women thwe right to most forms of employment, know what a woman is, and use this knowledge tooppress women.

Most leaders who support policies that keep many people in poverty know what a woman is, but at best don't mind disproprtionately harming and disadvantaging women.

It has always been a fundamental that education, access to knowledge should not be taxed.

Well in that case it shouldn't have become a commodity,

Thank you 👏