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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
Dareisayiseethesunshine · 12/04/2024 08:25

Omg she should not be texting your ds.. Personally I would delete her and tell ds it isn't appropriate.. Ds has a good mate. Ds has ASD and we are chuffed and assisting when he finds communication difficult.. But his dm to me/me to her Never her to ds. Or me to her ds..

Hecatoncheires · 12/04/2024 08:26

YANBU. Knock it on the head, OP. No way should the mum be interacting in such a familiar way. I’m not saying she’s grooming him but it’s certainly overstepping. Could be from a desire to keep the friendship going between the two boys but it’s inappropriate.

CutPiece · 12/04/2024 08:26

You’re not unreasonable at all. I don’t think it’s anything to do with grooming, necessarily, but I think it’s inappropriate for friends’ parents to communicate directly with the child, encouraging things you don’t allow, setting up social occasions. I think it’s intrusive. Tell her to go through you.

darkchocolatecoffee · 12/04/2024 08:26

You’re right - it sounds really odd, both the texting your son directly and the nature of the texts!

Dareisayiseethesunshine · 12/04/2024 08:27

Just recalled an older ds was in a similar position many moons ago and the dm was suggesting ds called her mam. As she knew I was no good!!
I actually went to her house... Wasn't having that!!

Hecatoncheires · 12/04/2024 08:27

Text the mum and tell her to make arrangements through you from now on.

IncompleteSenten · 12/04/2024 08:28

No, that is not ok.
If it was me I would phone her and tell her to stop messaging my son.

It is inappropriate and yes, potentially grooming.

I would be questioning whether he even has a friendship with this boy tbh.

ranoutofquinoaandprosecco · 12/04/2024 08:29

I have a 13DD and have never contacted any of her friends directly even though I've known some of them since they were toddlers.

I have been known to contact the parents of her new friends since she started high school to just check who they are and confirm any plans she's asked about but that's the limit of my involvement.

I think it may be wise to try and broaden your DS's friendship group which I know can be hard and also make some family outings as non negotiable as possible, even if that takes a bit of bribery at the moment!

StopStartStop · 12/04/2024 08:30

Put a stop to it. My brother was 13 when groomed by a fully adult woman. He said he thought it was great at the time, but looking back he realises he was abused! It might be that the mum is just trying to manage a friendship for her child, but if that's what she wants she needs to go through you.

Maray1967 · 12/04/2024 08:30

I have DSs and if another mum was doing this with mine I would address it firmly and directly. Call her and tell her she is not to contact your DS again - ever. Not one of my DSs’ friends’ parents has ever done anything other than contact me or DH first. She is undermining your family - simple as that. She might not realise what she’s doing but I would have no problem pointing that out to her. No parent should be inviting their DC’s friends without checking first with their parents.

You also sound like you’re scared of upsetting your DS, but you need to sit him down and state very clearly that her behaviour is not acceptable.

If it is not convenient for him to go to hers, then it doesn’t happen. If she pushes back, repeat - no, we can’t do that tonight /on Saturday etc.

CutPiece · 12/04/2024 08:30

And yes, is it the case she’s keener on the friendship than her son, for whatever reason? It does sound a bit like ‘child without many friends having this one encouraged by parent’.

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 12/04/2024 08:31

This is actually creepy in a very fundamental way.
Trust your instincts.
Are you able to speak with her? That said she may continue. It would be interesting if she doesn’t know you check your son’s phone if she says something to him about you stopping her

JulietSierra · 12/04/2024 08:32

It’s totally inappropriate and I actually think you need to contact the mum and make sure she knows that you don’t want her contacting your son directly.
I’d also stop my son from going to their house. Invite the friend to your house but I wouldn’t be allowing my son to be spending time with this mother.

Echobelly · 12/04/2024 08:32

Before going hardball is it worth messaging with something like 'I really want DS to learn to sort out things direct with his mates so I'd really like him to be messaging your DS instead of you as that's the best way for him to learn' or something?

cheddercherry · 12/04/2024 08:33

There is no way she should be messaging your son, especially in such a way that encourages him to lie to/ about you to her. Especially if he’s not even messaging the son, it doesn’t seem right at all.

Maray1967 · 12/04/2024 08:34

Yes, I think I’d probably stop the visits to hers for a while. The very strange thing is what you overheard your son saying. Why would he have said it unless he thought she liked it? I can’t imagine my two claiming they’d sworn at me to any of their friends’ parents - they’d know that the parents would be shocked.

MabelMaybe · 12/04/2024 08:35

I have a feeling that this mum thinks her DS is going on a wrong path, and she sees your DS as a good influence. She shouldn't be messaging him directly though, as it puts your DS in a him vs. you situation, where this woman, her son and DS all want something before you get to hear about it. Tell your DS to block her number and tell her to go via you exlcusively, if you want the boys to keep their friendship.

Newname71 · 12/04/2024 08:35

She is massively overstepping and I would definitely be having a word with her!

EvelynBeatrice · 12/04/2024 08:37

Ask yourself what your reaction would be if your son was a daughter being messaged by her friend's dad.
Overstepping at best.

Isitsummersomewhere · 12/04/2024 08:37

I think you call her and ask her to come through you first with any arrangements.

you can be friendly about it. No need to go in all guns blazing. But her reaction will help you gauge what she is up to. Then you can decided whether she is being creepy or just a bit mis guided. It’s possible her DS doesn’t have a lot of friends so she is desperate to keep it going.

I’d use your recent example- just say you know how important friends are in teenage years, but you want to make sure DS is spending time with his sister and family, but it causes problems if he’s already been invited out with friends.

SillySeal · 12/04/2024 08:38

Your right OP, this isn't right. I have a son the same age and no way would I be communicating directly with his friends. The fact your sons also notessaging his friend and just the mum sets alarm bells off.

Sorry but I would be putting the brakes on this and go with your gut.

Onelifeonly · 12/04/2024 08:39

Definitely inappropriate whether her intentions are suspect or not. It's dangerous as your DS may start listening to her over you, and it's an intrusion into your family life. I'd message her and say you have planned a family day out so he can't join them today and you want her to contact you directly in future, not through your son. If she accepts that things might settle down. (If say, she's just very grateful her son, who has social issues, now has a friend).

By the way, do you get a sense your son actually likes this boy, or just his mother? Teens can get into adults who aren't their parents and let them break your rules.

JMSA · 12/04/2024 08:39

It is really strange Confused
I've never known 13 year olds to make arrangements through the parents either though.

Bollingerforbreakfast · 12/04/2024 08:40

I would never message my DCs friends that is weird and wrong however she may be just unaware that it's not the done thing and that it would make most people uncomfortable?

on the other hand if the message came from her DC would you actually know if she was on their phone sending the messages or not? I'd be worrying about that too

Bertiebadgers · 12/04/2024 08:40

Just wondering OP if DS’ friend is an only child OP? And I say this as someone with an only child & hate the lonely child stereotypes. However I know some parents of only children may be more proactive in terms of engineering friendships so that their DC are occupied. That being said I think this mum is grossly overstepping & it’s actually very weird. I definitely don’t think she should be messaging your DS all the time, that’s so inappropriate!

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