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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
SchoolQuestionnaire · 12/04/2024 09:38

This is hugely inappropriate and downright weird actually. I can’t imagine any circumstance where I would text a 13 year old friend of one of my dc.

buswankerz · 12/04/2024 09:40

I have never ever text any of ds friends and he's 13 soon. He's never had a text from another parent either.

WhenWillTheHolidaysEnd2 · 12/04/2024 09:42

I have a similar aged son and this made my jaw drop. No way. For context, both my kids are in sports clubs and all of the communication is done through parents, even if the kids are well into their teens, no direct contact between coaches and under 18 athletes. If your son really likes this friend I would move the interaction to your house. Or you run the risk of alienating him.

adviceneeded1990 · 12/04/2024 09:47

That is really odd and I’d definitely be talking to her! My best friend has known my mum since she was three and the only time she’s messaged her instead of me was to arrange my hen do - we were 30! She’s never messaged my dad. I’d 100% tell the mum how inappropriate this is!

KreedKafer · 12/04/2024 09:50

Bloody hell. Yes, this is all massively inappropriate and is no different at all from a man messaging a 13-year-old girl. I’d be really concerned about this, regardless of what her actual motivation is.

I would not, in all honesty, want him going to her house again.

Gumbo · 12/04/2024 09:51

I agree this has grooming flags all over it.
I ran a kids sports club for many years and this would break every safeguarding rule there was. All the adults had to only deal with the parents, no matter how old the child was or how well we knew them...not only to protect the children, but so that the adults couldn't be accused of anything dodgy either.

This woman needs to be nowhere near your son, you're right to be feeling uncomfortable with her behaviour 😡

Hiddenvoice · 12/04/2024 09:55

She sounds completely inappropriate. Fair enough having your son’s friends phone numbers for emergencies etc but she shouldn’t be texting him. She shouldn’t be inviting him anywhere, instead she should contact you or her son should contact your son.

It feels like she’s pushing this friendship too much and it would make me feel uncomfortable, especially if she’s phoning him.

I would speak to her and explain that she shouldn’t be making any arrangements directly to your son. The boys can easily arrange something themselves or she can check in with you.

Starlight1979 · 12/04/2024 09:59

EvelynBeatrice · 12/04/2024 08:37

Ask yourself what your reaction would be if your son was a daughter being messaged by her friend's dad.
Overstepping at best.

I was just about to say the same. I have a DSD (12) and can only imagine mine and my DP's reaction if she said one of her friends dads was sending her messages...

walkerscrispsarethenuts · 12/04/2024 10:02

My son had a friend whose mum wants to encourage their relationship (not to your level though.

It transpires that the friend has been in lots of trouble at school etc, so she thinks my son would be good for him. That might be the case but the boy isn't good for my son.

This needs to be stopped now.

You also need to tell your son he can't go over there or out with him all the time. He'll get over it!

ASeagulStoleMyIceCream · 12/04/2024 10:02

Definitely inappropriate of the mum. I would never text my DCs friends directly, it’s weird and very over-stepping. Parenting in this modern world can be an absolute nightmare. There’s no easy way to deal with it without you being accused of being controlling, but the reality is it’s the friends mum who is being controlling by over riding you with your own child.

Starlight1979 · 12/04/2024 10:04

And as other posters have said, I cannot think of one instance where me or DP would text one of DSD's friends. For any reason at all.

Do not let your DS to this woman's house again. Even if nothing bad is going on, the boundaries have been crossed and you need to draw a line under it right now. And as someone else said, it doesn't even sound like your DS and this lad are good friends at all. It sounds like the "friendship" is between your DS and this lad's mum.

SallyWD · 12/04/2024 10:05

It is very strange and I would feel equally uncomfortable.
If I'm trying to look for an innocent explanation I'd say she really wants to encourage the friendship and her own son is rubbish at messaging so she's taken over. My DD is 13 and generally arranges her own social life with her friends. However she has one friend who's particularly flaky and not good at messaging, so her mum has (occasionally) messaged my DD directly to say something like "Ava wonders if you'd like to come round tomorrow". However, she doesn't indulge in extended communication or lots of banter and swearing!!
Maybe she's grooming him, maybe she's just a sad woman and wants to be seen the the "cool mum". Either way it's inappropriate.

ns87 · 12/04/2024 10:08

Trust your instincts

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 12/04/2024 10:10

YANBU. I'd text her myself and tell her that's is very inappropriate that she's texting your child and wtf is going on here.

It sounds very dodgy.

walkerscrispsarethenuts · 12/04/2024 10:11

SallyWD · 12/04/2024 10:05

It is very strange and I would feel equally uncomfortable.
If I'm trying to look for an innocent explanation I'd say she really wants to encourage the friendship and her own son is rubbish at messaging so she's taken over. My DD is 13 and generally arranges her own social life with her friends. However she has one friend who's particularly flaky and not good at messaging, so her mum has (occasionally) messaged my DD directly to say something like "Ava wonders if you'd like to come round tomorrow". However, she doesn't indulge in extended communication or lots of banter and swearing!!
Maybe she's grooming him, maybe she's just a sad woman and wants to be seen the the "cool mum". Either way it's inappropriate.

If that was the case the mum should
message the OP.

Namechangenumber23 · 12/04/2024 10:11

Put it this way OP, if this was relayed to me by someone at work, be it an adult telling me about their contact like this with a 13y/o or the child telling me this, I would consider it a safeguarding issue and be raising concerns via the appropriate channels.

I have had to do this for both child and adult safeguarding concerns through work and outside of work.

For adults in official settings there is a reason there are very strict guidelines and policies for adults such as teachers/scout or youth leaders. For example, with how they communicate and none of it includes direct contact with a child via text or email and any contact with parents/guardians etc.. has to be relevant to the club or activity/school and to a pre agreed form of contact with the adult in question.

No adult should be contacting your child directly and without your knowledge. All contact regarding arrangements should be done child to child as is normal with friendships or parent to parent if it's appropriate because they children are wanting to organise something that requires your help and/or permission.

My DS is a young adult, I have never had any numbers for any of his friends, just parents here and there.

Block her number on his phone and stop any visits to their home for the time being at least. You are right to be concerned.

Edit: scratch that, re-reading your OP, no visits to their home at all

PrincessTeaSet · 12/04/2024 10:18

I would stop contact between your son and the mother, block the number on your son's phone and make the boys meet at yours or in a neutral location, much less often.

Explain to your son that this isn't an appropriate relationship, that it's not his fault but the woman should know better than to be texting a 13 year old. Ask him what he thinks should happen. You need to avoid your son running off to her so don't make it seem that he's being told off.

I don't know what you say to the mother. She's going to be defensive, angry etc however you do it. Maybe honesty is best, say you want her to stop contacting your son and you want your son to spend more time with family and other friends so he can't come over as often? At least they don't live close so it's easier to prevent things happening without your knowledge.

JFDIYOLO · 12/04/2024 10:30

You don't KNOW there is anything wrong - but you feel there may be.

Women can be abusive groomers.

Women can be attracted to adolescent boys.

Mothers are capable of being attracted to children.

Your instincts are shouting at you. Listen to them.

40% of male victims report their abusers were women.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-sexual-abuse/202101/how-female-sexual-abusers-groom-their-victims

How Female Sexual Abusers Groom Their Victims

Research on female sex offenders suggests that some do use sexual grooming.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-sexual-abuse/202101/how-female-sexual-abusers-groom-their-victims

Mrsknowitall · 12/04/2024 10:31

sounds like grooming to me too, I would get her number but block and delete her number from your sons phone and let her know that any communication goes through you but tbh I think that I would stop him going over there, I wouldn’t feel comfortable with that at all

raffegiraffe · 12/04/2024 10:42

Yanbu. I only text son's friends to see if they are with him if he isn't responding to messages and I think his phone has died

User1979289 · 12/04/2024 10:49

I work with children and young adults who have experienced CSE. I would stop this immediately and tell my son bluntly why. He needs to learn to always ask the question "Why is this person doing these things for me?" cynically

toddlermam · 12/04/2024 10:55

Wow YANBU! At first I thought maybe she's just happy her son has got a 'better influence' type of friend and was trying to facilitate the friendship .. but texting him, having banter about him telling you to fuck off?!?! Massive overstep, what a weirdo Confused

3luckystars · 12/04/2024 10:57

Completely NOT unreasonable and I would absolutely freak out if some woman was texting my 13 year old child. I would tell her straight to never ever text your son again and all arrangements go through you.

weirdo

Devonshiregal · 12/04/2024 10:58

I’d be doing some stalking first. When’s he seeing this kid next? I’d be watching from a far or sending a friend to watch if she’d recognise you/you’re not very stealthy. She how her behaviour is with him.

Is she there on these fishing trips etc? She sounds like she’s grooming him and if she’s not she’s still massively creepy and inappropriate.

how does your son talk about her?

you need to make sure you don’t end up looking like a bitch to your son as much as possible but it’s your job to protect him even if you have to.

what other things has she said to him? Honestly I’d print out all the messages between them and I’d be going to safeguarding at school pretty quick.

Codlingmoths · 12/04/2024 11:04

I would try and explain to your ds that this level and type of contact isn’t appropriate, and hope he understands. You could ask do you think it’s being a good parent to encourage your child’s friends to tell their parents to fuck off? How would you feel if that were me and <another friend>. I love that you and boy are such good friends, but you need to block his mum on your phone and I will call her and say if she needs to be the one arranging hangouts then she needs to do it with me. <curious tone> I wonder if she realises that as the mum she arranges everything for her son, but she likes to cut me , your mum, completely out. I don’t think she’d be happy if it were the other way around.

then call the mum, and say the level of messaging on my sons phone is not appropriate. As <your sons name> mum, you seem to make all the arrangements. That’s fine, but you need to make them through me. You’re blocked on ds phone.