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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
pastypirate · 12/04/2024 12:38

It's the texting that really bothers me in this scenario and the child to adult direct contact. The rest is a bit irritating but less worrying.
I have children who are 11 and 14 and it wouldn't occur to me to ye t their friends. Even the friends I have known since they were in nappies who I'm very fond of.
I strongly encourage the kids to organise their own social stuff then I will back up text the parents to confirm. I can't rationalise the behaviour of the mother of the friend.

Calamitousness · 12/04/2024 12:41

Yanbu OP. This is awful. I have never and woukd never message any of my son’s friends. Why would I want to? It’s massively inappropriate.

Ishouldstopgoogling · 12/04/2024 12:44

viques · 12/04/2024 11:35

I think you need to SPEAK to her and say that while you appreciate the friendship and the generous way she includes your son in activities you need to remind her that

a) your son has family and school commitments that come first

b) social arrangements should be made through you to ensure that they do not clash with a)

c) encouraging your son to ignore family rules about screen time, encouraging him to lie about his relationship with you and indulging in “banter” are all inappropriate communications with a 13 year old and need to stop with immediate effect.

d) you are happy for the friendship between the boys to continue if she accepts that she has behaved inappropriately but that if the messages etc continue then the friendship will have to be school based only from now on. I would suggest to her that both of you try to encourage the boys to develop wider social groups locally.

^ 100% this

Caffeineneedednow · 12/04/2024 12:45

This reads like grooming to me. While males are significantly more likely to be pedophiles, scientific literature estimates that the actual percentage of female sex offender is over 10% rather then the official estimates around 3 %.
I would block her number and contact the nspcc for advice.

And if you think that's an overreaction how would you behave I'd this was a dad acting this way with your teenage daughter. Women can also be dangerous

NewNameHello · 12/04/2024 12:45

Go and visit her and get a feel for her. Its extremely odd she’s messaging him direct. I have a teen and never done this to his mates. If your gut says odd tell her to stop messaging

HaveSomeIntrospect · 12/04/2024 12:53

It is wildly inappropriately. You should tell her as much.

iloveyouforever · 12/04/2024 12:55

I know someone who was taken advantage of by an older woman and his psyche never recovered. It could be innocent and she just enjoys admiration and attention from him but its still weird. Get him away from her.

bellezarara · 12/04/2024 12:57

That gave me the heebie jeebies. I would be taking the phone away from DS and encouraging other friendships. Meet ups with this boy should be limited to parks and your home for now.

Kissmystarfish · 12/04/2024 13:05

Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

Oh no!!!

no no no no no.

she shooodnt be texting him. I had a parent text my dd and say oh you’ve upset my daughter can you come round and sort it

i was highly highly upset and thought it weird!!

so yes. It’s strange!

kirinm · 12/04/2024 13:11

Yep that sounds really weird. Why on earth is a grown woman texting a 13 year old boy.

Freesia9 · 12/04/2024 13:12

Totally inappropriate for a parent to messaging another child directly. It's inappropriate if the child were 16, and outrageous if the child is 13! Do not allow this.

kirinm · 12/04/2024 13:13

I can absolutely see the possibility that she is trying to engineer a friendship for her son but it is still very very weird.

Freesia9 · 12/04/2024 13:13

And I say this having a great relationship with DDs friends who wouldn't think it odd if I text them, but why would I when I should be communicating through their parents.

KomodoOhno · 12/04/2024 13:49

This is not normal. I have a 13 year old too. With a teenager social life. Plans still go thru the mums.

theresnolimits · 12/04/2024 13:52

Be careful with this. If she’s as inappropriate as it seems, she may try to influence your DS against you by making you out to be the spoilsport. The fact that he’s already lied to her to impress her is worrying.

I’d speak to her directly (texts are too easy to ignore/ misinterpret). Explain you don’t think it’s appropriate for her to contact your son directly. And that it is causing disruption in your house. Emphasise your son shares everything and you’ve seen the messages.

Her child is welcome at your house, but that’s it for the moment. If it’s all been a complete misunderstanding, she’ll be mortified. If not …

BetterLuckTomorrow · 12/04/2024 13:59

maudelovesharold · 12/04/2024 09:20

How about something along the lines of -
‘Hi, X’s Mum. Just to say, I regularly check ds’s phone (with his knowledge) and can’t help noticing the number of messages between you. I think at their age, it’s better that the boys communicate with each other, rather than with friends’ parents, don’t you? Your latest invitation to ds has somewhat ridden roughshod over family plans we already had.

Sorry to be blunt, but in future, I’d rather we left it to them to discuss getting together if they want, and to check with their own parents when would be convenient. Happy to then discuss the logistics with you, of course, but there’s a danger of things getting lost in translation, if you’re making plans directly with ds. I’m sure you understand! Best wishes…’

Maude’s message is perfect. Hell would freeze over before I’d let my child go back to that house.

Isitautumnyet23 · 12/04/2024 13:59

Absolutely not ok and you need to tell her straight away. At 13, all arrangements for meeting up (messages) should be between your Son and his friend. If there’s any bigger arrangements (like a sleepover), I would expect for the Mum to message me to check thats ok. You need to make it clear straight away she is not to message your Son directly. Reply back to the text telling her only to message you in the future.

Im guessing her own son behaves better when your son is around so she’s being OTT about having your child round all the time. I’d be very uncomfortable with this level of obsession and be making it clear immediately to not contact him directly.

CammyChameleon · 12/04/2024 14:03

What you know is that she is contacting your son unnecessarily, undermining your rules for him, and that he wants to impress her enough to make up a story - a story, funnily enough, that involves him treating you with contempt.

Would you be impressed by your son's friend telling you that he told his mum to fuck off? As a teenager, would you have boasted about that to a friend's parent and expected them to react well?

That is enough for alarm bells to be ringing. If you're "lucky" she's just immature enough that she wants to be the cool mum that other kids wish they had and takes it as a compliment when the kids tell her that they wish their parents were like her because she lets them to whatever they want at her house.

If you're unlucky, then she's a sexual predator who is actively trying to alienate him from you so that she can abuse him.

Time to stamp this out.

Dappy55 · 12/04/2024 14:05

My son has to have emails and messages from.his tutor and people from scouts and it is in their safeguarding policies to say that parents are copied in to all messages. So I think you need to take a hard line and send a message like. "It is not appropriate to be messaging x direct, if you wish to make arrangements please message me directly" . I know it is a struggle to be direct but on the other hand your family is more important than some random.woman.

ThoseBlueRememberedHills · 12/04/2024 14:09

As a PP has mentioned, I would message her politely asking for comms only through you. Don't tell DS you have done this. Then watch his phone like a hawk for further messaging or see if she complains to him about being cut off from him. If she does either, I would contact the school as that would be sinister.

WarshipRocinante · 12/04/2024 14:12

This is really weird. At 13, nothing is arranged parent to parent. The kids sort themselves out and ask if it’s OK. Parents don’t need to be texting other parents at this age, and they definitely don’t need to be texting the OTHER child. That’s way out of line.

I’d be removing his phone and talking to him about this, and telling her very clearly to stop communicating with my son as it is inappropriate. Start trying to cool the friendship and encourage him to spend time with other friends.

Lentilweaver · 12/04/2024 14:12

I was prepared to come on here and say you were overreacting, but nope, you are not. I would never message my DS sons, especially minors, or swear before them, or banter with them.

AtTheCopaTheyFellInLove · 12/04/2024 14:14

“There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).”

No, no, no, no….NO.

Can you tell us the context of this please?

This “relationship” with his friends mum needs to be stopped immediately before it’s too late and your son becomes under her spell.

Where is your DH in all this? Mine would be sitting DS down and telling him straight.

That mum would get it both barrels from me. I’d defo screen shot and send to myself and respond via his phone to her. I’d especially go ape shit over encouraging my DS’s disrespect to me. However, you then need to make sure they aren’t talking on other media that deletes itself like Snapchat (not sure, but some do).

It is grooming. Whether that’s sexual or not, I don’t know, but he’s being manipulated by an older woman and he’s just a kid. I’d be informing the school and showing them the messages. She deserves to be landed in the shit.

WarshipRocinante · 12/04/2024 14:16

WarshipRocinante · 12/04/2024 14:12

This is really weird. At 13, nothing is arranged parent to parent. The kids sort themselves out and ask if it’s OK. Parents don’t need to be texting other parents at this age, and they definitely don’t need to be texting the OTHER child. That’s way out of line.

I’d be removing his phone and talking to him about this, and telling her very clearly to stop communicating with my son as it is inappropriate. Start trying to cool the friendship and encourage him to spend time with other friends.

Just to add to this, I run DnD campaigns for my son and his friends, so I actually have their numbers so they can send me updated character sheets etc. But that’s literally the only things sent back and forth. Everything else goes between the kids themselves. So sometimes yeah, there can be a reason. But she has no reason at all! Especially not chit chat and banter. That’s not appropriate and at 13… I imagine it is creating some confusing feelings in your son.

AloeVerity · 12/04/2024 14:20

Another one saying grooming here. Absolutely inappropriate. I have never texted any of my DCs’ friends.