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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

278 replies

Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
HOTD7383 · 12/04/2024 11:09

I read half of the OP when the word ‘grooming’ sprung to mind. Knock this on the head asap OP. It might not be, but it’s weird and completely inappropriate.

Ishouldstopgoogling · 12/04/2024 11:17

Echobelly · 12/04/2024 08:32

Before going hardball is it worth messaging with something like 'I really want DS to learn to sort out things direct with his mates so I'd really like him to be messaging your DS instead of you as that's the best way for him to learn' or something?

What if she then is the one replying using her own son's phone? I would just tell her to ring or message you directly and not to message or ring your son again.

catinthetinhat · 12/04/2024 11:20

My kids are too young to have phones at the moment but I always thought it odd that a mum friend of mine has the mobile numbers of all her kids friends and girlfriends etc.

Whatifthehokeycokey · 12/04/2024 11:23

I think I would: screenshot the messages and send them to yourself. Message the woman directly. Forward her the couple you feel are the most inappropriate (and contain swearing).

Hi, it's DS's Mum. Please could you contact me directly in future rather than messaging my son, if you want to make arrangements regarding the boys? DS doesn't always know what our family plans are. Also, he has certainly never told me to fuck off.

As soon as she knows you are monitoring his messages, I think she will be embarrassed and back off. Also, set some boundaries. Twice a week at this boy's house max, or whatever you feel comfortable with. There's a good section in "Raising Boys" about the different types of parents and the very damaging Mum who flirts with teenage boys and pretends to be their mate.

bringbacksideburns · 12/04/2024 11:27

That’s really odd and inappropriate. You need to block her number on your son’s phone. Then contact her to say any arrangements please go directly through me.

I would start making plans for your son doing other things with other people and I would have his friend over to your house in future not send him there.

I have never heard of any adult messaging a child like this. It sounds like the banter and swearing is like she’s trying to be his friend and there’s no boundaries at the very least. You don’t want your son in her home.

godmum56 · 12/04/2024 11:27

Bollingerforbreakfast · 12/04/2024 08:40

I would never message my DCs friends that is weird and wrong however she may be just unaware that it's not the done thing and that it would make most people uncomfortable?

on the other hand if the message came from her DC would you actually know if she was on their phone sending the messages or not? I'd be worrying about that too

this.

somptuosité · 12/04/2024 11:28

This is not acceptable. You have a good reason to not want this interaction to continue.

JPGR · 12/04/2024 11:32

inappropriate on so many levels. You are right to worry.

viques · 12/04/2024 11:35

I think you need to SPEAK to her and say that while you appreciate the friendship and the generous way she includes your son in activities you need to remind her that

a) your son has family and school commitments that come first

b) social arrangements should be made through you to ensure that they do not clash with a)

c) encouraging your son to ignore family rules about screen time, encouraging him to lie about his relationship with you and indulging in “banter” are all inappropriate communications with a 13 year old and need to stop with immediate effect.

d) you are happy for the friendship between the boys to continue if she accepts that she has behaved inappropriately but that if the messages etc continue then the friendship will have to be school based only from now on. I would suggest to her that both of you try to encourage the boys to develop wider social groups locally.

curiositykilledthiscat · 12/04/2024 11:41

I feel very worried for you. Direct and clear communication is the only way to go now - as others have said - and I’d be inclined to tell the mum face to face about her lack of boundaries, partly to see her reaction. No way would I allow my child at the house again and those car journeys with just the two of them would have to stop too.

When you feel something is off, 9/10 it’s because it is.

PlantDoctor · 12/04/2024 11:41

I wasn't too worried about him always wanting to see his friend, but I AM concerned about how she's texting him. Red flag. Like you say, imagine the genders were reversed

BreatheAndFocus · 12/04/2024 11:43

This is really creepy and inappropriate, OP. I wouldn’t just be speaking to the woman, I’d be cooling down the boy’s friendship too, and encouraging your son to do things away from this boy. I wouldn’t trust the mother one bit.

She’s not being kind and generous, she’s overstepping massively, coming between your DS and his family; messaging him directly. Just horrible. The best case scenario is that she’s simply using your son as a playmate/babysitter for her son, so she doesn’t have to parent him, but even that is horrible.

LipikarAP · 12/04/2024 11:43

If you do speak to her as advised here, I'd also get something in writing. It gues her less wriggle room and people's comprehension is often different to what you may assume.

BusyMummy001 · 12/04/2024 11:50

Sorry, but she should not be texting your son without your permission. Massively overstepping. She shouldn’t even have his number.

I appreciate 13 yo boys/kids might discuss going to town/cinema/hanging out etc outside of school, but that should then involve each of them asking their parents. They should not have their social lives managed by another child’s parent.

I would, in the first instance, contact her to say you notice she has been directly contacting your son - can she delete his number and no longer do that. I would block her number on his phone and then monitor his phone account (on line statements) to ensure this is adhered to. I am paranoid enough that I would actually want to read their message exchange too. Tell her that should her son want to arrange a meet up, it should must be done via you.

She may apologise for overstepping and things settle down, but a this stage her behaviour is not like any parent I know.

Feebs450 · 12/04/2024 11:55

Good lord, of course it's inappropriate.

I have a few of the dc's friends numbers saved in my phone as it's sometimes useful. I have, on occasion, sent 'Hi Jacob, is DS still with you? I think his phone may have died as he's not answering' type messages. But that's it. And I feel bad for doing even that!

As others have said, block her number in his phone. Sit ds down and explain that this type of contact with another adult is not appropriate and he's only to communicate with his friend directly.

Then I'd send one very polite message to the mum along the lines of 'Hi x, Fred's mum here. Thanks so much for having him on Saturday, he had a brilliant time! Can I please ask that if you want to make arrangements for the boys to meet up you call or message me only and not ds from now on? Really appreciated. Thanks'.

See what you get back, which should be revealing. Then monitor ds's phone like a hawk from now on. If the mum starts bombarding you with requests for ds to go over I'd decline the first few and say you're busy for the next couple of weeks but would see after that.

If there was ANY resistance from the mum in stopping contact immediately or any sign of her contacting ds again I would stop all contact immediately with this child, inform the school and become a lot less polite.

Waitingfordoggo · 12/04/2024 11:58

Yes, she has dodgy boundaries. The only time I’ve ever messaged a DC’s friend is with an older teen when I don’t know where they are and am trying to track them down!

Saschka · 12/04/2024 12:03

Block her and tell her exactly why. I’d be on the fence about the son - it may be ok just having him round to yours, or this batshit mum might use that as an opportunity to keep messaging him via her son’s phone.

If they live that far away, how exactly does your son know this boy? I assume they aren’t at the same school if they live an hour apart…

HanaJane · 12/04/2024 12:06

Imagine it was a friend's Dad messaging a 13 year old girl then everyone would think that was inappropriate so no YANBU at all the friend's mum is being inappropriate and you're right to be concerned

VampireWeekday · 12/04/2024 12:06

the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

This is genuinely deranged behaviour on her part. I had friends with "cool mums" when I was a teenagers but never in a thousand years would they be texting me directly outside of direct practical communication (e.g. we're outside the cinema now) if for some reason friend couldn't contact me. You need to take action to keep your child safe.

Alsonification · 12/04/2024 12:08

Absolutely not on. At that age I didn't even have my children's friends numbers. Only their parents.

I would trust your instincts on this. Delete/block her number on your ds's phone & tell her to do one.

I would not be letting my child in that house ever again.

ontheflighttosingapore · 12/04/2024 12:11

No that isn't right. All messages need to be between the boys only. I would have to speak to her and say you want only texts between the two and please don't message again

Nicole1111 · 12/04/2024 12:27

Massive overstep. The least I would be doing in this situation is messaging her saying you want her to stop all direct communication with your son, as running plans by him first is causing you challenges at home and you’re trying to teach him appreciate adult/child boundaries.

PineappleTime · 12/04/2024 12:30

That's fucking weird.

Comedycook · 12/04/2024 12:33

In a million years I wouldn't message my DC's friends directly. It's so inappropriate. Best case and most likely scenario is she is desperate to be seen as the cool mum or perhaps her ds struggles with friendships and she is going way overboard in trying to facilitate his social life.

Maray1967 · 12/04/2024 12:34

Whatifthehokeycokey · 12/04/2024 11:23

I think I would: screenshot the messages and send them to yourself. Message the woman directly. Forward her the couple you feel are the most inappropriate (and contain swearing).

Hi, it's DS's Mum. Please could you contact me directly in future rather than messaging my son, if you want to make arrangements regarding the boys? DS doesn't always know what our family plans are. Also, he has certainly never told me to fuck off.

As soon as she knows you are monitoring his messages, I think she will be embarrassed and back off. Also, set some boundaries. Twice a week at this boy's house max, or whatever you feel comfortable with. There's a good section in "Raising Boys" about the different types of parents and the very damaging Mum who flirts with teenage boys and pretends to be their mate.

Edited

Great advice - I would go with this. You will make your point clearly, setting down the boundaries, and she will know that you are aware of what is going on. If she tries to laugh it off/minimise, I would then go in harder , eg ‘I’m sure you understand why it is not appropriate for my son to be messaging his friend’s parent claiming that he swears at me. ‘

Grooming could be a possibility- more likely she’s the type of mum described above, who wants to be friends with her teen kids’ mates, which is totally inappropriate.