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To feel uncomfortable about her interest in my son

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Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

OP posts:
FabulousWealthyTart · 14/04/2024 10:43

Talk to her directly. I had a similar issue with the mother of my daughter's friend and like you, something made me feel it wasn't quite right. It overstepped a parenting line in my view so I made it clear that she needed to stop and it did.

Mamma1982 · 14/04/2024 11:12

That was a really good conversation you had with your DS.

i would suggest from now on the boys only get together in your house and under your supervision. If it’s their friendship she really cares about then she won’t be concerned and will realise when you speak with her she has overstepped but you still want your son to have a friendship with hers. The fact that it’s in your house and under your supervision shouldn’t make have difference if that’s the only worry she has regarding contact with your son.

if she is a groomer they are very manipulative towards adults associated with the child. She may initially go along with what you suggest, gain your trust but go back to her old ways. Be very careful. I don’t think the boys friendship should suffer though because of this woman. You could always make contact with the Police regarding a right to know request and see if there’s ever been anyone raising any similar concerns about her before. I know that sounds very serious but it’s the best way to protect your son and any other children.

Nanny0gg · 14/04/2024 11:30

My DC don't get involved in any sort of texting with any of their children's friends or parents.

The children make 'plans' and then scoot off to their parents to see if they're ok or not. Then they're confirmed or changed to suit all.

Once they hit secondary that seems to be how it works (possible more involvement if it's a party or a sleepover)

House12 · 14/04/2024 12:20

EvelynBeatrice · 12/04/2024 08:37

Ask yourself what your reaction would be if your son was a daughter being messaged by her friend's dad.
Overstepping at best.

This.

Concannon88 · 14/04/2024 13:06

This is so difficult, as she's really odd and inappropriate. But if you cut them off, he loses the friendship with the kid and may push him further away. I'm sorry I have no advice.

KomodoOhno · 14/04/2024 13:39

Just a bit ago I received a text from my 13 year old's friends mum to say to please tell dd friend phone isn't working since they have plans today but plans still on.

She did not message my dd directly. At worst this person is a pedophile at best a "cool mum". Either way Nope.

ClaredeBear · 14/04/2024 16:37

You’re a lovely person who wants what’s best for her child.

My mother ruined mine and my siblings lives like this. Controlling and undermining behaviour, stemming from massive insecurities. As we got older she would contact our friends behind our backs and offer to look after their children, make friends with our exes and their new partners, even when infidelities and even DV had taken place…it was never ending. She would gaslight us, saying we were the ones with the problem. But this was only one tactic of many. Our friends’ responses ranged from amusement to confusion and on occasion offence was taken. Hopefully your son can continue his friendship and avoid being dragged into a situation like this.

WorkerBee83 · 14/04/2024 16:46

Stick with your gut instincts. It sounds like grooming! If it was an adult man texting a teen girl you’d think the same. I’d be speaking to friends mum and saying that all plans will be asked to you or Dh first or you will stop him going with them anywhere.

Teenagehorrorbag · 14/04/2024 22:32

How weird! I have numbers for one or two of my DCs friends and have very occasionally received a message or sent one - such as offering a lift home when picking up a DC from school - but probably 3/4 times ever. Once DDs friend messaged to say my DD had been unwell at school but probably wouldn't say anything so please could I keep an eye on her💖.

A friend's son messaged me happy birthday as we share a birthday - but although he is friendly with my DCs he's more the son of my mate IYSWIM.

Normally they sort stuff with their friends or I sort it with friends' Mums. Usually DS's friends' Mums as boys seem rubbish at ever organising anything.

I would be massively uncomfortable with what you're describing. She probably means well and there is no harm in it, but it's totally out of order. I think you have two options - either say that to her and hope that the boys can sort things out between them, going forwards, - or you may have to make your DS lose his best mate. Only you can judge which is the most appropriate option......

JustAnotherManicMomday · 14/04/2024 22:40

Time to start saying no but friend can come here for tea or to stay the night. See if its an actual friendship between the kids or if his not really friends with the child and she's getting him over with other motives. Tell him you would like to spend time with your son and if this friend is important you would like to get to know the friend. Point out that you noticed his not messaging the friend only his mum. Ask him why he doesn't talk to his friend to arrange things instead?

Murphs1 · 14/04/2024 22:44

I have a similar aged son and this would be a massive red flag to me, I am over cautious but I cannot dream of a situation where any of his friends mums wound contact him directly. I would absolutely trust your instincts on this one. If your son asks why you would have done this, I would gently ask how inappropriate would he find it if you text his friends directly to arrange activities. Also him telling her he told you to F off would concern me, as no decent parent would condone this or think this type of conversation with another child was appropriate. I would be asking myself and him why he thought it would be acceptable to say this to her.

Murphs1 · 14/04/2024 22:47

As others have said it could be completely innocent but absolutely not something I would allow or encourage.

rayro2 · 14/04/2024 22:47

All sounds very odd, trust your gut.

As others have suggested, from now on have any visits at your house if your son wants to maintain a friendship with his mate

Hopebridge · 14/04/2024 22:56

A few of my children's friends have my number for in emergencies if they are out and about. Just incase my child's phones have an issue and vice versa my children have the parents numbers of close friends just in case.

I would speak to the parent directly and ask for her to communicate plans through you not your son. It would make me feel uncomfortable. It does sound like she is trying to be "cool" I'm sure she will understand that it's not appropriate. She should also not undermine your parenting. Have you met her in person?

aperfa · 14/04/2024 23:25

The ONLY way I can excuse this is if there's a chance the son might be sharing a phone with the mum. I only got my first phone at 13 (this is 25 years ago, mind, idk what the norm is now) and would often borrow my mum's phone to text or call friends before that. The mum may be more comfortable not giving the son a phone yet and wants oversight over his contact with friends. To me, that's totally fair but can obviously get confusing.

If not and it's definitely the mother who is texting and speaking to your son, cut it off immediately.

Goldengamer · 15/04/2024 00:50

This is so wrong, huge alarm bells ringing …. Loads of advice on here ….. stop him from going round , tell her the truth that he now doesn’t want anything to do with going out with the family , get your husband involved ….its very weird and needs to be stopped . He’s at a vulnerable age with hormones flying around, keep him away

Notavailabletryanotherone · 15/04/2024 07:35

Whatafustercluck · 12/04/2024 08:22

Ds is 13. He has this friend, also 13, who is polite enough but is a bit cocky, a bit 'streetwise'. His mum seemed lovely when we met her, and ds speaks highly of her. He's become pretty obsessed with this one friend, to the exclusion of other friends, and has spent a fair bit of time with him over Easter (sleepovers, fishing, cinema etc). He lives about a 30 minute drive away. His mum has said that ds is good for her son, and she's been very encouraging of the friendship. She goes out of her way to collect/ drop off ds at home when we said he couldn't go because it was inconvenient for whatever reason (for example, a mid week one hour round trip just so ds can have dinner there seemed a bit much, but she always comes back with "I'll bring him home" so in ds's eyes there's no reason for us to say no). The father is on the scene, but we don't know much about him, and ds doesn't speak much about him, but says he's 'alright'.

My problem is that it feels like this boy's mother is now massively overstepping the mark, but I can't work out whether I'm being unreasonable and overly jealous/ protective. She messages my son, directly, a lot. She invites him over to theirs, gets him excited by promising to take him fishing or whatever, and then I end up being the one who spoils it all in my son's eyes if I say no. She always asks me/ dh directly in the end, but only after I've spoken to ds about not making arrangements we don't know about and pointed out that things like that should be arranged parent to parent.

I get Mondays and Fridays off work, so had wanted to do something with ds and 7yo dd this Friday as the weather is good. She's been messaging him asking him if he wants to go over, go fishing, stay for dinner. Dh overheard ds in his bedroom discussing it with her. Of course, after that was put in his head, ds had no desire to spend the day with me and his little sister, and who could blame him? I know that friendships are important and I don't want to stand in the way of that. But he's still part of our family, and I want to do things together.

I looked at his phone last night. This isn't an invasion of privacy, ds knows that I spot check and it's a condition of him having a phone. There are no messages or communication between him and his friend. All the banter and arrangements are between him and his friend's mum. She's clearly one of these mums who likes to be seen as a 'friend' (by both her own son and his friends) rather than a mum. A few of the messages contain swearing, in a bantering way. There's a message on there in which ds lies to her about telling me to fuck off (he's never said that to me, so I can only assume he was trying to sound cool).

Everything about these interactions makes me feel increasingly uncomfortable. I remarked to dh yesterday that it almost feels like grooming, with us and our rules being undermined by her (she encourages him to go on his xbox with this friend straight after school, even though ours rules are homework first, then an hour of xbox). That sounds dramatic when I read it back (grooming) but it's how I feel, and dh agreed. I'm starting to think we need to take a firmer line on this.

Aibu to feel this is inappropriate, or am I being over protective and prudish? I'd never make plans with another person's child directly with them, and I said to dh that if this was a man doing this with a 13yo girl, it would be deemed grossly inappropriate.

You are clearly being undermined but this women . What she is doing is inappropriate, the fact that your ds feels he has to lie to her in a derogatory way about you says enough to put a stop to it asap. Easier said than done I know .
Not only is she crossing the line with your ds , she is not allowing her ds any autonomy , that part is not your problem but it is who she is . She is controlling her own ds and doing a fairly good job of controlling your ds too. Put your foot down and put a stop to it.

Tevion1213 · 15/04/2024 16:53

I've skimmed over the posts so sorry if I missed it but is it possible her ds is an only child and she couldn't have anymore so is treating him as a 2nd son.
My ds was an only and looking back think I went over the top arranging play dates although I always went through the parents but I did find it tough having a only maybe she's got issues

Clarabellemt · 15/04/2024 17:18

Any adult who is in contact with a child who is not a family member, in relative secret is a massive safeguarding red flag. Cut the contact. You have set boundaries which have been breached. I would also be clear with her that I would be considering reporting any further attempts to contact to the police.
FWIW it looks like grooming to me.

wulzcat23 · 15/04/2024 17:21

Tevion1213 · 15/04/2024 16:53

I've skimmed over the posts so sorry if I missed it but is it possible her ds is an only child and she couldn't have anymore so is treating him as a 2nd son.
My ds was an only and looking back think I went over the top arranging play dates although I always went through the parents but I did find it tough having a only maybe she's got issues

I was an only child and so was my son and nothing like this ever happened!!!!!

KomodoOhno · 15/04/2024 17:28

wulzcat23 · 15/04/2024 17:21

I was an only child and so was my son and nothing like this ever happened!!!!!

Mine is an only child too. And I can say it would never cross my mind

Tevion1213 · 15/04/2024 17:33

But it's always a possibility it can't be ruled out although I can't imagine not having the sense to realise it's inappropriate.

Goodtogossip · 16/04/2024 11:03

You hit the nail on the head when saying if it was an adult man texting a female child everyone would see it as being totally wrong, so the fact it's a woman texting a male child is also wrong. Ring the mother asking her to ring you to arrange anything in future as you feel she's undermining home rules. Explain you're happy with your Sons friendship with her Son & him coming over now & then but you want her to run any arrangements past you first before mentioning it to your Son. If she doesn't stop texting your Son explain to him it's not right & why you feel uncomfortable with it. He probs just sees her as 'the cool Mum' & doesn't see anything wrong at all. Then go & have it out with her face to face telling her to stop!

Riverlee · 16/04/2024 11:26

@Whatafustercluck How are things?

nutbrownhare15 · 16/04/2024 11:44

I agree with others that the mum needs speaking to as well, and I would seriously consider blocking her on your son's phone. I like a previous poster's suggestion on phrasing in terms of arrangements causing family issues and all communication from her now needs to come to you. And then block her on his phone, continuing to check his phone and discussing things openly with DS.

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