Have you damaged the life of a child?

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The Cass Review into child’s gender services is out. For those of us who have been following this for years, it really is a No Shit Sherlock moment. All of our beliefs and fears for what is happening to vulnerable children (mainly autistic, traumatised or same-sex attracted girls) is set out in black and white.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

So,

Every doctor, psychologist and therapist who ignored evidence and went along with this medical scandal and who set a child on the path of no return to future infertility, osteoporosis, increased heart disease and dementia risk, lower IQ and foreshortened life span;

Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship;

Every teacher who adopted gender ideology and actively poured poison into their student’s ears;

Every teacher who shut down a student who wasn’t toeing the party line;

Every teacher who made girls feel ashamed for not being happy about sharing toilets with boys;

Every social worker who damaged the parent-child relationship and threatened parents with consequences for not affirming their child’s trans identity;

Every child’s friend’s “cool” parent who claimed their home was a sanctuary from the child’s bigoted parents;

Every autism organisation staff member or volunteer who swallowed the nonsense whole and damaged a generation of autistic girls;

Every person who cut off friends when they raised concerns about trans ideology and kids;

Every Facebook group moderator who blocked members raising the mildest questioning of gender ideology, then out up the sickening virtue signalling post about “no hate allowed”;

Every single person who chanted “protect trans kids” without knowing a single thing about the issues;

Every sports coach who allowed boys into the girl’s teams and berated objecting parents and girls as bigots;

Every separated parent going along with the child’s trans nonsense to get back at the other parent.;

Everyone who has ever donated to Mermaids;

Every single person who blindly believed that a parent’s doubts about transitioning their child were based on transphobia and bigotry, not love and concern;

Everyone who has ever told a child that society hates them because of their trans identity;

Every parent who didn’t do their due diligence and happily went along with their child and who enjoyed the attention of having a trans child;

Every politician (pretty much all of them) who decided to ride this one out, even though they could see the harm occurring in real time

This disaster, ruining the lives of a generation of children, is on you.

But not campaigning for adequate let alone better MH and autism provision for young people. They’ve just focused on headline and focus grabbing, nothing else. That is shameful and as damaging as anything else.

Really?

I feel exactly the same as you OP. It's not about one side "winning". It's about learning, about acknowledging we let children and young people down, about carrying lessons into the next thing (there will be a next thing!) that comes for our children.

Adults were captured and captivated. In my daughter's school I faced down a teacher who said "oh we have so much to learn from the children" as she waffled on about neo pronouns and demi-sexual and two-spirit as if it was sacred knowledge gifted to us from experts, not from 13 year olds spending too much time on the internet.

We can't move on and protect children unless all these types of people examine their motives and actions against established medical and safeguarding principles and protocols.

Parents researching puberty blockers for their children would likely be directed to sources telling them that puberty blockers are safe and reversible and that children will attempt suicide if they are not transitioned.
Big name charities like mermaids have pushed harmful messages.
Even today the guardian has a story referring to PBs as a "pause button".

"Even dyed in the wool TRA Freddy McConnell, of Man has Baby fame, expressed surprise that a double mastectomy meant she couldn’t breastfeed."

Some people just really lack common sense.

On the other hand, my GP keeps telling me my HRT increases my cancer risk. It doesn't at my age.

@LargeSquareRock YABU

To quote the report:

Polarisation and stifling of debate do nothing to help the young people caught in the middle of a stormy social discourse, and in the long run will also hamper the research that is essential to finding the best way of supporting them to thrive.

This is why mental health services are so vital and needed here, so our children can be safe without resorting to things that may permanently cause damage. there is a high percentage of suicide rates for people who have transitioned, so transitioning isn’t always the cure.

An absolutely outrageous slur.

Many GCs have risked everything personally and professionally to get people to safeguard children. Without their efforts none of this would have happened and kids would be being harmed in record numbers.

Many are also the parents of gender questioning children and those with autism or mental health problems. Many also campaign for better MH support generally.

But there are no mental healths services and if you have a child who has attempted suicide multiple times and a drug is the only thing on offer you will take the drug.

There are next to no services for self harm, suicidal idealisation…..

But nobody’s cares they’d rather headlines and focus were full of anti trans rhetoric

I have never seen any of the deluge of anti trans threads ever focus or even mention the need for better MH support generally. The focus is always on anti trans- every time.

This is the right place. Burying it away as a discussion around feminism is downplaying it. It would be more appropriate in parenting or child abuse. But here is fine. In fact as many places as possible.

I think there is a lot of reliance on “guidance”. If I were a GP and was presented with a novel case I would just check the guidance. Unfortunately you can see the NHS is a shit show with this stuff. When you have a body that is supposed to be grounded in evidence based care referring to women as ovary havers or some shit but referring to men as simply men then there is something more than medicine going on. I imagine a lot of professionals are worried about NOT following the guidance and getting it wrong and then running into problems themselves with complaints and so on.

It’s a massive shitshow, the report mentions a lot of professionals worried about being labelled transphobic. Hopefully now more will have the confidence to push back gently and act in what they think is in the best interest of their patients/students etc.

I think also there will be a sigh of relief from many people that we are now talking about clinical evidence and we can move away from the whole thing as a social justice movement type of thing back to facts. Many politicians will probably be relieved as well, they can start saying “ah yes but the cass report says…”

The immense pressure to not be seen as a “bigot” has been pretty extraordinary. People have been publicly saying blatant untruths like “women can have a penis” it’s been downright orwellian. In that environment if you object you can be subject to legal action, harassment, loss of work etc.

@MarshMarig0ld7364 you are simply ill informed and unaware of the views and hard work of the people you ignorantly label "anti-trans".

Totally agree. OP the Cass report talks about the toxicity of the debate ON BOTH SIDES and that’s exactly what your ridiculous post feeds into 🙄.

And I’ve yet to see any campaigning for better mental health support anywhere.

Any thread that even mentions the upcoming election is taken over by anti trans saying the trans issue is the only thing women should be focusing on when they choose who they vote for. There is no mention of the dire state of mental health provision across the board- anywhere.

I’d love to know how things are going to be rectified with zero provision in mental health services and autism support for the 18-25 group.

That’s not true, I’ve posted studies previously that indicated high co-morbidities with mental health issues as well as personality disorders. Specifically when it comes to children many feminists on the GC boards have expressed concerns for girls with autism and kids who have anxiety or depression.

What you perceive as anti-trans is pretty much always a discussion on womens sex based rights being harmed by males wanting access to womens spaces, whether thats sports, rape crisis shelters, changing rooms, awards etc.

To answer your initial question, no I haven't.

Yes god forbid women talk about their sex based rights, feminists tend to focus on those first. Because once they are gone they are gone, it’s very hard to claw back rights once someone takes them away.

No the focus and priority on those threads are always anti trans. It takes over everything and drowns out really important issues. It is hugely damaging.

Right so young people continuously trying to take their own lives with zero support or treatment should be just pushed ignored and pushed to the back during an election in order to make way for sex based rights .

Here we go again. You have played as big a part as anybody else in all this.

Mumsnet and Twitter are not always the right places for the full facts. The women in my network are absolutely aware of the need for better mental health seeing for children and adults. However, if the people running those services are ideologically motivated or scared of questioning the received wisdom of "believing trans kids" it just compounds the problem.

A starting point of reality and rationality is required. That's what we mean when we say "vote for the party that knows what a woman is".

Lol.

I can't agree. Plenty of schools and such like managed to strike a balance, one whereupon they were providing a nurturing environment whilst erring on the side of caution/avoiding irreversible intervention.