Have you damaged the life of a child?

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The Cass Review into child’s gender services is out. For those of us who have been following this for years, it really is a No Shit Sherlock moment. All of our beliefs and fears for what is happening to vulnerable children (mainly autistic, traumatised or same-sex attracted girls) is set out in black and white.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

So,

Every doctor, psychologist and therapist who ignored evidence and went along with this medical scandal and who set a child on the path of no return to future infertility, osteoporosis, increased heart disease and dementia risk, lower IQ and foreshortened life span;

Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship;

Every teacher who adopted gender ideology and actively poured poison into their student’s ears;

Every teacher who shut down a student who wasn’t toeing the party line;

Every teacher who made girls feel ashamed for not being happy about sharing toilets with boys;

Every social worker who damaged the parent-child relationship and threatened parents with consequences for not affirming their child’s trans identity;

Every child’s friend’s “cool” parent who claimed their home was a sanctuary from the child’s bigoted parents;

Every autism organisation staff member or volunteer who swallowed the nonsense whole and damaged a generation of autistic girls;

Every person who cut off friends when they raised concerns about trans ideology and kids;

Every Facebook group moderator who blocked members raising the mildest questioning of gender ideology, then out up the sickening virtue signalling post about “no hate allowed”;

Every single person who chanted “protect trans kids” without knowing a single thing about the issues;

Every sports coach who allowed boys into the girl’s teams and berated objecting parents and girls as bigots;

Every separated parent going along with the child’s trans nonsense to get back at the other parent.;

Everyone who has ever donated to Mermaids;

Every single person who blindly believed that a parent’s doubts about transitioning their child were based on transphobia and bigotry, not love and concern;

Everyone who has ever told a child that society hates them because of their trans identity;

Every parent who didn’t do their due diligence and happily went along with their child and who enjoyed the attention of having a trans child;

Every politician (pretty much all of them) who decided to ride this one out, even though they could see the harm occurring in real time

This disaster, ruining the lives of a generation of children, is on you.

I have never seen any of the deluge of anti trans threads ever focus or even mention the need for better MH support generally. The focus is always on anti trans- every time

You clearly haven't properly read any of them then.

So you deliberately put this in AIBU to 'educate' us? As if we don't have it rammed down our throats enough as it is.
Interesting clickbait-y title, btw.

I don’t really understand how anyone can object to a report calling for improved clinical care of children. It’s extraordinary and a bit sinister really.

This is an absolutely wonderful post. I'm actually feeling a bit teary. I'm so glad that you have navigated your DCs gender questioning by supporting them to be themselves. You are a fantastic parent.

Even if they did, can a child seriously understand the full effects?

If you say to a 10 year old that one of the side effects is that they will never experience orgasms, what do you expect that child to base their decision on? They are still (hopefully) at the stage of thinking that sex is gross and disgusting and the thought of not having to 'do it' would be a benefit.

This thread should not be hidden away. There will be parents out there with a child with gender dysphoria who need to know there is a report out which they will find useful.

It is an appalling thing to do to not want parents to be able to easily access information about this. It must be bloody heart wrenching as a parent to have a child in this level of distress. The more people who know about a report citing actual clinical evidence the better.

If my DD has gender dysphoria I would be looking for every published study I can find but I am also not a scientist nor a statistician I would struggle to accurately assess the quality of studies and there would be some which are inaccessible to me.

So you are not interested in the latest report that shows there is significant issues with the country’s provision of children’s health care?

And you could not just scroll on by and ignore it?

Good to know.

The line between an honest debate and all discussion about the issue being stifled as being 'inflammatory' has been pushed to the extreme and any attempt to discuss this issue was termed 'transphobic'.
If you can't debate then you don't live in a democracy and this debate was definately stifled by the mainstream meadia and tech platforms.

You don’t have to read it, let alone comment on it you know.

When I see another Harry and Meghan thread pop up, I use this magical technique called Not Clicking on Thread. It really works. Promise.

Haven’t you woken up to the fact that the world has changed. This isn’t a points scoring thread; it’s a how the bloody hell did this happen to children thread.

Precisely

Every single person on the planet knows and always has that men and women are different and you cannot become the other. It's absurd and embarrassing for our time in history that anyone has gone along with this. If you need special guidance on this because you're unsure if a child is 'trapped in the wrong body' you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children as you're clearly a gullible imbecile or have no principles.
Anyone who was too much of a coward to stand up n say this is ridiculous is culpable.
Only now the tide has turned are people are saying we shouldn't blame the pathetic ideologues for backing the wrong horse it's not their fault.
OP is right it's on all of those who didn't call it out n they should have to face the consequences of what they enabled and should perhaps be more humble n apologise rather than 'we were just following orders'

Yes of course, and it is all over every news outlet. I would rather make an informed decision about it myself than have any truck with this hysterical hyperbole.
And I do read posts rather than 'scrolling on by'. Always. They are often the most entertaining.

I like reading hysterical crap. It is amusing.

Thank you lovelyview ❤️ means a lot. I have questioned my self many times over the years wondering if I was doing right by my DC. I don’t anymore I know I’ve done right by them. It’s a hard to read views you are damaging your child when all you want is the best for them. I can’t imagine that is any loving parents goal. - I don’t usually post on these types of threads, but today I felt brave and if it helps another parent then wouldn’t that be wonderful.

Yes of course, and it is all over every news outlet. I would rather make an informed decision about it myself than have any truck with this hysterical hyperbole.

And yet you stick around. Why?

"Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship"

I'm a school counsellor and I'm GC and can assure you I've never done the above. You sound a bit paranoid.

I'm not GC, i'm a Trans Ally, i have a lot of Trans friends both male and female, some only identify under Non-Binary, some have had surgery, some have even detransitioned. However, within that, and because of knowing them so well and having been alongside many on their journeys, I'm very anti-transition for under 18s.

I don't agree with hormone blockers, and i firmly believe that if people want to transition, its a decision that ought to be made as an adult with the help of a therapist and appropriate counselling. I'm all for teens exploring their identity, even socially transitioning if they want, but no medical intervention should be going on before they're adults.

I also think your op is crass and hyperbolic.

Nice misogynistic language there. Women being hysterical about a report that backs up all the safeguarding concerns we’ve been expressing for years.

News outlets that were all about "Be Kind to Trans Children" until recently but were driven to dig deeper by hysterical women like JKR, Maya Forstater, Helen Joyce and indeed many on MN.

I think it’s important to point out that some of us started out on the other “side”. When the USA started passing bathroom bills I was appalled and definitely thought “jeez what bigots why would you make life harder for such a visible minority”.

It slowly dawned on me the damage transactivism was doing to women and children (clearly I’m a bit slow). I unfortunately came across a lot of what is frankly fetishism. Then they started letting men who were clearly enjoying it all a bit too much into rape and domestic violence shelters and prisons and I’m thinking, hang on, this doesn’t feel right, what about the women. then people started talking about children and gender affirming care and I thought WTF. Those of us who have been through therapy understand that it is the challenge to patterns of thinking and carefully unpicking our own blueprints which lead to healing. If I had gone to a psychiatrist and they had confirmed everything I believed to be true I would probably have killed myself by now.

This is the scary thing for me, children being led to believe that all their problems stem from dysphoria and if they can fix their bodies their minds will follow.

Hysterical should have been in quotes in my post. But always a term used to dismiss women and their concerns.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/6602fa875978a01601858171/1711471262073/WPATH+Report+and+Files111.pdf

I’m posting this for people who want to have a look, it’s about WPATH and care of transgender transgender patients in the USA.

I am hoping that the part in the Cass report that discusses extensive exploratory therapy will be rolled out to the services for under 25s. Affirming only treatment is harmful as it was interpreted and not just for children.

The more open discussions that can be had the better for all. Particularly one about how to produce strong evidence that will support treatment decisions.

So do you want it there or not? Before you were complaining about it being "rammed down our throats", now it's welcome distraction for your higher mind. Which is it?

Actually, don't answer that. Nobody cares and it's sheer deflection anyway. The real question is, why do you and many others want to somehow hide or invalidate a discussion about a potential medical scandal involving children? What are you worried it will uncover and why do you not want people to know or care?

In fact, why in the hell do you find it amusing?