Have you damaged the life of a child?

[LargeSquareRock]

The Cass Review into child’s gender services is out. For those of us who have been following this for years, it really is a No Shit Sherlock moment. All of our beliefs and fears for what is happening to vulnerable children (mainly autistic, traumatised or same-sex attracted girls) is set out in black and white.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

So,

Every doctor, psychologist and therapist who ignored evidence and went along with this medical scandal and who set a child on the path of no return to future infertility, osteoporosis, increased heart disease and dementia risk, lower IQ and foreshortened life span;

Every school counsellor who felt they were Rosa Parks, whispering secrets to vulnerable kids and damaging the parent-child relationship;

Every teacher who adopted gender ideology and actively poured poison into their student’s ears;

Every teacher who shut down a student who wasn’t toeing the party line;

Every teacher who made girls feel ashamed for not being happy about sharing toilets with boys;

Every social worker who damaged the parent-child relationship and threatened parents with consequences for not affirming their child’s trans identity;

Every child’s friend’s “cool” parent who claimed their home was a sanctuary from the child’s bigoted parents;

Every autism organisation staff member or volunteer who swallowed the nonsense whole and damaged a generation of autistic girls;

Every person who cut off friends when they raised concerns about trans ideology and kids;

Every Facebook group moderator who blocked members raising the mildest questioning of gender ideology, then out up the sickening virtue signalling post about “no hate allowed”;

Every single person who chanted “protect trans kids” without knowing a single thing about the issues;

Every sports coach who allowed boys into the girl’s teams and berated objecting parents and girls as bigots;

Every separated parent going along with the child’s trans nonsense to get back at the other parent.;

Everyone who has ever donated to Mermaids;

Every single person who blindly believed that a parent’s doubts about transitioning their child were based on transphobia and bigotry, not love and concern;

Everyone who has ever told a child that society hates them because of their trans identity;

Every parent who didn’t do their due diligence and happily went along with their child and who enjoyed the attention of having a trans child;

Every politician (pretty much all of them) who decided to ride this one out, even though they could see the harm occurring in real time

This disaster, ruining the lives of a generation of children, is on you.

100% this. Enough of hiding away unpleasant facts.

@LargeSquareRock your post is very harsh on teachers. I’m fed up with teachers being expected to solve all of society’s ills.

1. No guidance (NONE) given to schools by government.
2. teachers hounded out of their jobs if they did stand up and say something publicly - teachers are human beings you know with jobs.
3. I don’t know a single teacher who has ‘poured poison’ into the ears of children regarding this. You’re falling for a daily Mail trope which seeks to excuse the government from its lack of safeguarding advice and regulation of tech companies.

you know what’s to blame? Social media. Stonewall. Celebrities who jump on JKR when she dares say something. (HP actors - largely talentless but who have become insanely wealthy - looking at you). Sports companies threatening to remove sponsorship from athletes who say that you know maybe a female competing against a man isn’t fair.

stop blaming teachers. Just stop giving unfettered smart phone access to your children.

The role of social media and the broader effects of SM on mental health, online grooming, these are also part of the discussion and all feed into each other. Without the silencing and threats of losing jobs and the corralling of whistle blowing, this scandal wouldn't have got so far. All those brave women who crowdfunded when being dragged through court for speaking up, got a lot of support from the women on FWR.

This is headline news on all the major news channels. This isn’t a niche discussion, it’s a major medical and social scandal that will have led to doctors irreversibly harming children under the guise of helping them.
I think everyone should know that vulnerable children and their families have been utterly let down by the NHS and all the gender identity warriors who fought so hard to shut down debate.

MarshMarigold, why do you equate child safeguarding with being anti-trans?

The Cass report also criticises the toxic levels of discourse around this issue, which is shown perfectly in this thread.

And so you judge those who don’t behave the way you demand. So you can denigrate them because they don’t do what you want them to do.

You have no fucking idea what most posters do in real life. Feminists can choose to support whatever they feel is appropriate for them, and I know quite a few who do campaign for better mental health care. But they are not about to tell you about it and why the fuck should they.

And why should they? Just to stop you from derogating them and calling them ‘anti-trans’?

Yeah. No thanks.

No this belongs on the main boards. This is about a much more than one issue.

There is the woeful failures of safeguarding, particularly of more vulnerable children and young adults. Not the first time this has happened - it just moves to new ground every few years.

There is the extent to which middle class professionals, including many with formal training in scientific methods, will ignore hard data in favour of the fashion of the day. Researchers trying to work in the field struggled to get approval for research in case they found the "wrong" answers - that isn't science, its the triumph of religion/ideology over science and rationalism.

Gender ideology is not the first time this has happened but its a reminder that we should question and not blindly accept everything we are told by "the professionals" following fashions rather than evidence. I suspect this latest iteration has been greatly magnified by coinciding with uncontrolled barrages of social media but its not new.

I cannot discuss it in my workplace.
I cannot discuss it on social media, though I have over 20 k followers.
I cannot discuss it with 99% of my friends.
They immediately start lecturing me about transphobia and yelling about Terfs and JKR. Without ever having read JKR's essay or the Cass Report. It's so frustrating how people make up their minds by reading tweets.

Yes I'm a 60s baby whose working class minority mother was pressured to take thalidomide by one of those scientifically trained middle class professionals.

I'm profoundly grateful to her that she endured the illness and refused to take any drugs. The consultant obstetrician told my father to make her take the pills or he couldn't treat her. This was late on in the scandal and a few years later they found out he had a nice directorship with one of the companies distributing the drug. I've no idea whether he really believed in the drug or whether other interests had numbed him to the data.

There's a difference between genuine discussion and making inflammatory comments.

Teachers in all things have to toe a line, opinions differing from the playbook are not tolerated and can be career damaging. The irony is that MN operates in the same way, any attempt to question certain topics, however genuine it may be, land one on the naughty step at least.

My. There is that prejudice that you have showing again.

I would suggest that what motivates your adult friends may be different from the children covered by the Cass Report. And did you know those adults as children? Or just as adults?

Did you know that trauma is one of the comorbidities that has been identified as being very common for those declaring a trans identity? Did they receive even basic care for their trauma as children and as needed as adults?

Again, I suggest you read the Cass report but that really is your choice whether you do or not.

Exactly this.

Everyone needs to wake up to what might be the mother of all medical scandals.

It is remarkable Spart.

I am sure that MNHQ realises that if they move this one, another will be started because people want to discuss this. It is all over the news so there is a huge interest.

what do you mean by anti-trans?

Absolutely not true. Every time someone has made a 'vote tory as they know what a woman is' post, there has been a much louder group of people calling the poster out. Lots of posters have cited many reasons including funding for NHS. In the posts I have seen there has been a huge emphasis on the need for adequate mental health services as the first step for children querying their identity.

Many, many women who have raised these issues have immediately been labelled 'anti trans' or 'terfs.' A very obvious example is JK Rowling. Mental health support has been cited as a main issue by GC voices!!! How can you say there has been no mention of metal health resources? People have been speaking out and the mental health issues raised repeatedly and have been torn to shreds.

Which is exactly what you are doing now. You are dismissing and diminishing these voices by just calling people anti trans. It's ignorant, ill-informed and actually undermining the conversation altogether.

Presumably MNHQ have been shutting down threads like this in the past in order to protect themselves as a business. Now, courtesy of the stream of recent successful court actions, the publicity about legal definitions and reports such as Cass, they will now know that they are protected and can help by keeping discussions in the public eye. It might even increase traffic positively towards the boards.

Bravo OP

You haven’t been paying attention then.

I have watched an interview with Justine where she has stated that she has attempted to protect discussion on MN and that it has been difficult. She has admitted that she has had to make hard decisions.

There has been a significant change in moderation after each court case, each study, each event that opens up the discussion. So, yes. There will be constant reporting of threads over the next week to get them all moved. But I doubt that it will achieve anything getting one moved. But it will make someone happy I guess.

I really disagree with this. I have only recently woken up to the issues around gender ideology and I'd say virtually all gender critical thought comes with a concern for safeguarding women and vulnerable children and young people. There is deep concern about children being supported in transitioning to the opposite gender without any regard for their life experiences such as sexual abuse and exposure to social media, co-morbidities such as autism and depression. The lack of research, the fear from professionals about speaking out the fact that parents were told that puberty blockers are safe and reversible is truly shocking. The Cass Report shows that these concerns absolutely have basis in reality. I honestly don't know how you can have missed this aspect of the gender critical viewpoint.

I don’t understand why you think I think mental health should be pushed to the back. Feminists have been arguing that children should receive therapy not puberty blockers. I would say thats very much a mental health first approach. The Cass report agrees with this, holistic support rather than straight to puberty blockers. That’s exactly what you want is it not?

https://news.sky.com/video/transgender-children-point-scoring-harming-gender-identity-discussions-for-young-people-says-cass-review-author-13112025

Did you also see this before writing your point scoring thread?