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To have “ruined” my MIL’s relationship with her son?

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RareLilacExpert · 04/04/2024 18:34

A few months ago, whilst staying at my MIL’s house for her birthday, I was left alone with her and my DD for ~4 hrs (my DH and FIL went to a local football game). During this time, my DD refused to eat what was offered - not my choice of food for her, but a meal my MIL insisted upon (red flag 1).

I told MIL it was okay for DD not to eat her food, that we never put pressure on her to eat. DD asked me if she could get down and I said that she could.

MIL told me I was “letting a three year old rule the roost and needed to be in charge or she’d never learn.” I calmly explained we (meaning her son and I, my DD’s parents) were choosing to parent in this particular way and were responding to our child’s needs. I reiterated it was absolutely fine for DD not to want to eat, that she had days of feeling hungrier than others.

At this, MIL marched across the room, grabbed DD and attempted to manhandle her to the table. I raised my voice, told her to put my DD down and walk away. MIL did not. I shouted louder and MIL put DD down, she ran to me and we left the house to sit in the car. We only went back in for bath and bedtime, during which time I messaged my DH and he came home. He spoke to her, but when I saw her later this evening she did not even acknowledge the incident, let alone apologise.

The following day was her birthday meal, after which we got ready to leave (we were supposed to be staying a further night). This was when she spoke to me finally and I told her we were leaving because of her unacceptable behaviour towards my DD and myself, with no intention to apologise.

When we returned home, we did not speak for a further week, after which time I messaged outlining exactly the issues I had and what needed to change (respect, appreciation of different parenting styles, never touching my DD in this way again) before we would see her again. She rang and claimed she had “no idea she was so bad” and I “just needed to tell her when she was being unreasonable and she would stop.” I asked her if she was being racist, was it the victim’s responsibility to tell her she was wrong, or hers to think before she spoke/acted? She told me I was being oversensitive.

Ever since, we have not seen them. I cancelled a night away in which she was supposed to be babysitting, and I have now been accused of “ruining her relationship with her son and grandchild”, which tells me she still takes no responsibility. My DH is definitely ‘on my side’ and has spoken to her a few times but ultimately feels I need to let it go because ‘this is just the way she is’.

Am I being over sensitive here?

OP posts:
CommentNow · 04/04/2024 22:18

Stop engaging with her and make clear to DH that you know he wants you to let it go but you wont. That you know someone has to give here and it will be her.

The follow up message from you and racist analogy went too far on your side though IMO. Leave him to his relationship with his mum and dont answer her calls or texts anymore.

ggggggooooo · 04/04/2024 22:26

DontBeAMeany · 04/04/2024 18:46

My comments depend on what the manhandling of your daughter actually involved and I suspect you and your MILs versions would be very different.

What a lot of drama. I don't agree with interfering MILs but not sure it merited shouting (in front of your poor daughter) and storming off to the car etc. That would really upset most three year olds.

The three year old was already upset. She ran to OP crying.
What would you suggest? Minimising and invalidating 3year olds experience? Yeah that would fuck then up

Crispsandcola · 04/04/2024 22:27

I am gobsmacked at the number of people on this post calling you dramatic and saying you should have let it go. You don’t owe your parents and you definitely don't owe someone else's parents anything! You sound like an excellent parent and did the best you could in a very difficult situation. I would have packed and left tbh. This woman has given up the privilege of being in your child's life - bad behaviour results in consequences and a refusal to acknowledge and correct that behaviour means further consequences. I hope you stay strong and go no contact.

ggggggooooo · 04/04/2024 22:27

StarlightLime · 04/04/2024 18:46

Racist? 🤔

It was an analogy

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 22:27

LittleBearPad · 04/04/2024 18:48

When we returned home, we did not speak for a further week, after which time I messaged outlining exactly the issues I had and what needed to change (respect, appreciation of different parenting styles, never touching my DD in this way again) before we would see her again. She rang and claimed she had “no idea she was so bad” and I “just needed to tell her when she was being unreasonable and she would stop.” I asked her if she was being racist, was it the victim’s responsibility to tell her she was wrong, or hers to think before she spoke/acted? She told me I was being oversensitive.

I’m not sure sending that message or the racism discussion was helpful. The going to sit in the car was also over dramatic.

Think she meant: ‘I asked her that if, for example, she was being racist to someone, was it the victim’s responsibility to tell her?’

ie she wasn’t calling her MiL a racist, she was saying that if MiL was being unreasonable/bigoted. Etc…

Not very well expressed and a bit of a tangent, admittedly.

Livelovebehappy · 04/04/2024 22:29

I would say just leave your dh to visit his mother with your dc. Then it resolves the fact that you don’t want to bother with her, but that your dh and dc can still have a relationship with her. I’m guessing you trust your dh to protect your dc from your mil’s parenting style, so this shouldn't be a problem? But I’m assuming you want to get more drama out of this and will want to stop your dh from visiting with her….

anchoviesanchovies · 04/04/2024 22:37

Crispsandcola · 04/04/2024 22:27

I am gobsmacked at the number of people on this post calling you dramatic and saying you should have let it go. You don’t owe your parents and you definitely don't owe someone else's parents anything! You sound like an excellent parent and did the best you could in a very difficult situation. I would have packed and left tbh. This woman has given up the privilege of being in your child's life - bad behaviour results in consequences and a refusal to acknowledge and correct that behaviour means further consequences. I hope you stay strong and go no contact.

Exactly this. There are some completely batshit replies on this thread.

LittleBearPad · 04/04/2024 22:37

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 22:27

Think she meant: ‘I asked her that if, for example, she was being racist to someone, was it the victim’s responsibility to tell her?’

ie she wasn’t calling her MiL a racist, she was saying that if MiL was being unreasonable/bigoted. Etc…

Not very well expressed and a bit of a tangent, admittedly.

Yes I know she wasn’t calling her MIL racist. It was still a silly analogy.

Quitelikeit · 04/04/2024 22:46

Honestly you have to ask yourself if this is worth the battle.

They love your child and your husband. That will never change. There is no need to deprive them of that love.

The woman isn’t really a risk to your daughter she just operates in a way that she knows how.

You can crack on being spiteful but then you will cause aggro for everyone

You shouldn’t come between them all. Simply step aside. Then everyone will be happy. (During visits etc, not from your marriage)

Oh and next time maybe dont discuss with the toddler that they’ll be having pasta for lunch! I mean who actually does that……..

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 22:48

LittleBearPad · 04/04/2024 22:37

Yes I know she wasn’t calling her MIL racist. It was still a silly analogy.

Agreed

justasking111 · 04/04/2024 22:54

I'm a MIL and I'm shocked. If my DILs had been that rough with their own child I'd have been upset. @RareLilacExpert is right children do have hungry days and not so hungry days. To force them to eat is plain wrong.

And a fish with the head and tail on is a bit daunting if you're not used to it

Runnerinthenight · 04/04/2024 22:57

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You sound like a minimiser!

Tigertigertigertiger · 04/04/2024 23:15

Yes you're being over sensitive

KomodoOhno · 04/04/2024 23:34

K37529 · 04/04/2024 21:33

Your mil sounds batshit, trying to force a 3 year old to eat a fish with the head still on. Wtf is wrong with her 🤦‍♀️ I wouldn’t allow unsupervised contact with DD

I was 30 my first time eating a fish with the head on. I covered the eyes with a napkin.

ttcat37 · 04/04/2024 23:42

Well done for showing your DD that you will always protect her. She will remember that forever.
Your MIL sounds fucking vile and I wouldn’t want that toxicity around my child, especially after she assaulted them. She sounds awful in every way. She has zero rights to your DD. You have done nothing wrong at all.

Daffodilsarentfluffy · 04/04/2024 23:45

Mil assaulted and left a mark on op's dd.

If a woman in the street did this presumably op would have rang the police.....

Pearlyclouds · 04/04/2024 23:47

If someone manhandled my child in an aggressive way ( and there wasn't some kind of extenuating circumstance) they would never be seeing me and my child again.
She's nuts if she thinks that's just gonna blow over

Anniegetyourgun · 04/04/2024 23:49

Oh and next time maybe dont discuss with the toddler that they’ll be having pasta for lunch! I mean who actually does that……..

Why wouldn't you? 😕

ttcat37 · 04/04/2024 23:50

Quitelikeit · 04/04/2024 22:46

Honestly you have to ask yourself if this is worth the battle.

They love your child and your husband. That will never change. There is no need to deprive them of that love.

The woman isn’t really a risk to your daughter she just operates in a way that she knows how.

You can crack on being spiteful but then you will cause aggro for everyone

You shouldn’t come between them all. Simply step aside. Then everyone will be happy. (During visits etc, not from your marriage)

Oh and next time maybe dont discuss with the toddler that they’ll be having pasta for lunch! I mean who actually does that……..

What the fuck am I reading?

“no need to deprive them of that love”
”she’s not a risk”
Did you not read the bit where she physically assaulted DD and left a bruise??
And what do you mean, who discusses with a toddler that they’ll be having pasta for lunch? Probably 99% of parents who actually talk to their children??

My mind is blown by the amount of posters here who think a) it’s ok to rag toddlers around and bruise them b) it’s ok to force feed toddlers c) grandparents have any rights whatsoever over grandchildren d) grandparents can behave as they please, hurt and upset people, and everyone should just let it go…?!

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2024 23:54

Blueeyes13 · 04/04/2024 19:53

IMO it is incredibly bad manners not to even try to eat some food that someone has cooked for you and even a three year old can be asked to try something before deciding they don't like it. I don't know how much effort MIL went to for the meal, but I'd be really annoyed if I'd made a meal and my DC refused to even try it. Manhandling her to eat it and forcing a child to finish a meal is obviously wrong, but asking them to taste it before refusing to eat it is reasonable.

She DID try it.

Which is more than I would have done.

I'd have been heaving too badly to try it.

My mother used to do it to me - guess what? I still won't eat those foods and I have a very limited list of foods I'll eat

Who puts a fish including head and tail on a child's plate?

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2024 23:57

Quitelikeit · 04/04/2024 22:46

Honestly you have to ask yourself if this is worth the battle.

They love your child and your husband. That will never change. There is no need to deprive them of that love.

The woman isn’t really a risk to your daughter she just operates in a way that she knows how.

You can crack on being spiteful but then you will cause aggro for everyone

You shouldn’t come between them all. Simply step aside. Then everyone will be happy. (During visits etc, not from your marriage)

Oh and next time maybe dont discuss with the toddler that they’ll be having pasta for lunch! I mean who actually does that……..

So the OP is the spiteful one?

She didn't pull the child about enough to leave a bruise
She didn't try and force a three year-old to eat.

And the OP isn't 'coming between them' she's protecting her child.

Never read such nonsense!

And it's perfectly normal to tell a toddler what they'll be having for their next meal.

thoseinperil · 05/04/2024 00:00

Crazy drama. Both

KomodoOhno · 05/04/2024 00:02

This post is confusing to me. As I said I come from a culture that spanks, actual usually with shoes if you want the truth. The thing that most surprised me on mumsnet was how anti spanking it is.

Yet this little girl was bruised to the point where a couple days later nursery was asking questions. But posters are ok with that? I'm not being ignorant just trying to understand the uk custom. Spanking no but grabbing or bruising ok? Heck where I'm from you get both so I'm not being rude just curious.

Nanny0gg · 05/04/2024 00:06

KomodoOhno · 05/04/2024 00:02

This post is confusing to me. As I said I come from a culture that spanks, actual usually with shoes if you want the truth. The thing that most surprised me on mumsnet was how anti spanking it is.

Yet this little girl was bruised to the point where a couple days later nursery was asking questions. But posters are ok with that? I'm not being ignorant just trying to understand the uk custom. Spanking no but grabbing or bruising ok? Heck where I'm from you get both so I'm not being rude just curious.

No, bruising is not ok.

The UK as a whole is pretty anti physical punishment now and even more so from someone who isn't the parent of the child.

And it is absolutely not allowed to hit hard enough to leave a mark (as opposed to a tap on the hand)

Eyeroll2024 · 05/04/2024 00:15

She rang and claimed she had “no idea she was so bad” and I “just needed to tell her when she was being unreasonable and she would stop.”

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this comment. Sometimes, people do need to be shown or told explicitly if you actually want them to change, instead of just feeling superior. She was clearly trying to offer a way to get out of it with her pride intact, and you refused it.

Fair enough. You have that right.

You definitely exacerbated matters by lecturing at the table instead of just saying we don't do that and downplaying it. I am only guessing, but I can imagine your snotty knowbetter tone too.

But having said that, if any adult, no matter who, and no matter the reason, had ever laid a hand on either of my children, they would never have seen them again.

You sound sanctimonious and honestly a bit painful, but the MIL was still in the wrong and should have kept her hands to herself.