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To have “ruined” my MIL’s relationship with her son?

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RareLilacExpert · 04/04/2024 18:34

A few months ago, whilst staying at my MIL’s house for her birthday, I was left alone with her and my DD for ~4 hrs (my DH and FIL went to a local football game). During this time, my DD refused to eat what was offered - not my choice of food for her, but a meal my MIL insisted upon (red flag 1).

I told MIL it was okay for DD not to eat her food, that we never put pressure on her to eat. DD asked me if she could get down and I said that she could.

MIL told me I was “letting a three year old rule the roost and needed to be in charge or she’d never learn.” I calmly explained we (meaning her son and I, my DD’s parents) were choosing to parent in this particular way and were responding to our child’s needs. I reiterated it was absolutely fine for DD not to want to eat, that she had days of feeling hungrier than others.

At this, MIL marched across the room, grabbed DD and attempted to manhandle her to the table. I raised my voice, told her to put my DD down and walk away. MIL did not. I shouted louder and MIL put DD down, she ran to me and we left the house to sit in the car. We only went back in for bath and bedtime, during which time I messaged my DH and he came home. He spoke to her, but when I saw her later this evening she did not even acknowledge the incident, let alone apologise.

The following day was her birthday meal, after which we got ready to leave (we were supposed to be staying a further night). This was when she spoke to me finally and I told her we were leaving because of her unacceptable behaviour towards my DD and myself, with no intention to apologise.

When we returned home, we did not speak for a further week, after which time I messaged outlining exactly the issues I had and what needed to change (respect, appreciation of different parenting styles, never touching my DD in this way again) before we would see her again. She rang and claimed she had “no idea she was so bad” and I “just needed to tell her when she was being unreasonable and she would stop.” I asked her if she was being racist, was it the victim’s responsibility to tell her she was wrong, or hers to think before she spoke/acted? She told me I was being oversensitive.

Ever since, we have not seen them. I cancelled a night away in which she was supposed to be babysitting, and I have now been accused of “ruining her relationship with her son and grandchild”, which tells me she still takes no responsibility. My DH is definitely ‘on my side’ and has spoken to her a few times but ultimately feels I need to let it go because ‘this is just the way she is’.

Am I being over sensitive here?

OP posts:
FangsForTheMemory · 05/04/2024 16:20

I don’t think MIL’s behaviour was acceptable but I don’t see why a three year old would be allowed to get down from the table while other people are still eating.

Yousay55 · 05/04/2024 16:23

Give it some time & hopefully things will Improve. Set boundaries and don’t be left alone with mil.
Hopefully she will have gotten the message that this is not how you treat anyone, let alone your grandchild.

godmum56 · 05/04/2024 16:24

Sureaseggs44 · 05/04/2024 15:51

Yes but everyone is different though . My husband had one auntie who gave them a cereal like weetabix and if they did not eat it it was bought out cold at every meal until they did .they just could not abide waste .

I never said it was right , I was not excusing the behaviour just saying “ choice “ was not always a thing .

🙄

depends on the family I am 70 and the youngest in my family and our parents always gave us choice. It was never delicious choice, usually "eat the bits you like" or maybe a sandwich you but we were never ever MADE to try anything or MADE to eat anything.

godmum56 · 05/04/2024 16:50

FangsForTheMemory · 05/04/2024 16:20

I don’t think MIL’s behaviour was acceptable but I don’t see why a three year old would be allowed to get down from the table while other people are still eating.

why?

bombastix · 05/04/2024 16:59

Your mother in law is in the wrong: she is still trying to control what happens, and she has just found that contrary to the expectations when she was raising children, mothers have an actual voice. You were fine: this generation are more stubborn about ego than they want to admit. She should have kept her beak out.

Dragonsmother · 05/04/2024 17:55

I have a fussy eater and there is absolutely no way I would tolerate my child being dragged and made to eat food he didn’t want.
What your MIL done was appalling.
I would never trust her around my child again.

Iwasafool · 05/04/2024 18:04

Sureaseggs44 · 05/04/2024 15:51

Yes but everyone is different though . My husband had one auntie who gave them a cereal like weetabix and if they did not eat it it was bought out cold at every meal until they did .they just could not abide waste .

I never said it was right , I was not excusing the behaviour just saying “ choice “ was not always a thing .

🙄

Well your explanation was the war, yes everyone is different and the war is an excuse, that is just the people they are/were. I could say my parents went hungry in the war so they were very sympathetic to a hungry child who hadn't eaten their dinner but they were just nice people who didn't think a child should go hungry.

Presenting a child with cold cereal meal after meal isn't not abiding waste it is a power trip with a helpless child.

Iwasafool · 05/04/2024 18:05

FangsForTheMemory · 05/04/2024 16:20

I don’t think MIL’s behaviour was acceptable but I don’t see why a three year old would be allowed to get down from the table while other people are still eating.

Because she asked and her mother said yes. Do the other people need an audience or something.

SnoreyCat · 05/04/2024 18:06

OriginalUsername2 · 04/04/2024 19:26

My new retort to “that’s just the way they are” is “well. this is just the way I am”.

Oh I LOVE this. Wish I’d heard this years ago!

Iwasafool · 05/04/2024 18:08

bombastix · 05/04/2024 16:59

Your mother in law is in the wrong: she is still trying to control what happens, and she has just found that contrary to the expectations when she was raising children, mothers have an actual voice. You were fine: this generation are more stubborn about ego than they want to admit. She should have kept her beak out.

Have you checked the ages of people on here saying the child should eat the meal and shouldn't leave the table? I object to being put in a box just because of when I was born.

Iwasafool · 05/04/2024 18:09

godmum56 · 05/04/2024 16:24

depends on the family I am 70 and the youngest in my family and our parents always gave us choice. It was never delicious choice, usually "eat the bits you like" or maybe a sandwich you but we were never ever MADE to try anything or MADE to eat anything.

Well us 70 year olds are bucking the trend that all of an older generation are the ones promoting this.

Redpaisley · 05/04/2024 18:26

DontBeAMeany · 04/04/2024 18:46

My comments depend on what the manhandling of your daughter actually involved and I suspect you and your MILs versions would be very different.

What a lot of drama. I don't agree with interfering MILs but not sure it merited shouting (in front of your poor daughter) and storming off to the car etc. That would really upset most three year olds.

She held 3 year old DD by one arm and forced her out to dining table. That is scary for a child

Redpaisley · 05/04/2024 18:29

RareLilacExpert · 04/04/2024 18:34

A few months ago, whilst staying at my MIL’s house for her birthday, I was left alone with her and my DD for ~4 hrs (my DH and FIL went to a local football game). During this time, my DD refused to eat what was offered - not my choice of food for her, but a meal my MIL insisted upon (red flag 1).

I told MIL it was okay for DD not to eat her food, that we never put pressure on her to eat. DD asked me if she could get down and I said that she could.

MIL told me I was “letting a three year old rule the roost and needed to be in charge or she’d never learn.” I calmly explained we (meaning her son and I, my DD’s parents) were choosing to parent in this particular way and were responding to our child’s needs. I reiterated it was absolutely fine for DD not to want to eat, that she had days of feeling hungrier than others.

At this, MIL marched across the room, grabbed DD and attempted to manhandle her to the table. I raised my voice, told her to put my DD down and walk away. MIL did not. I shouted louder and MIL put DD down, she ran to me and we left the house to sit in the car. We only went back in for bath and bedtime, during which time I messaged my DH and he came home. He spoke to her, but when I saw her later this evening she did not even acknowledge the incident, let alone apologise.

The following day was her birthday meal, after which we got ready to leave (we were supposed to be staying a further night). This was when she spoke to me finally and I told her we were leaving because of her unacceptable behaviour towards my DD and myself, with no intention to apologise.

When we returned home, we did not speak for a further week, after which time I messaged outlining exactly the issues I had and what needed to change (respect, appreciation of different parenting styles, never touching my DD in this way again) before we would see her again. She rang and claimed she had “no idea she was so bad” and I “just needed to tell her when she was being unreasonable and she would stop.” I asked her if she was being racist, was it the victim’s responsibility to tell her she was wrong, or hers to think before she spoke/acted? She told me I was being oversensitive.

Ever since, we have not seen them. I cancelled a night away in which she was supposed to be babysitting, and I have now been accused of “ruining her relationship with her son and grandchild”, which tells me she still takes no responsibility. My DH is definitely ‘on my side’ and has spoken to her a few times but ultimately feels I need to let it go because ‘this is just the way she is’.

Am I being over sensitive here?

No you are not sensitive. Your MIL needs to learn boundaries. Forcing your 3 year old DD out of her room was not acceptable.
Is your MIL dominanting, controlling type?

Pottedpalm · 05/04/2024 18:48

@RareLilacExpert
Surely you cut the head and tail off the fish, under the guise of cutting it up for the child? And what 3 year old doesn’t enjoy chips?

Curtainsforus · 05/04/2024 19:02

Iwasafool · 05/04/2024 18:09

Well us 70 year olds are bucking the trend that all of an older generation are the ones promoting this.

I'm 53 - I was a fussy bugger as a kid and I was never made to eat anything - I don't think my parents cared enough tbh - which is a whole other way of looking at things! But I notice that lots of people on this forum won't tolerate fussy eaters - (I don't believe they are all "old"), whether they are kids or adults they have invited to dinner, lots of people have an intolerance of fussy eaters.

IDontOftenComment · 05/04/2024 19:03

Pottedpalm · 05/04/2024 18:48

@RareLilacExpert
Surely you cut the head and tail off the fish, under the guise of cutting it up for the child? And what 3 year old doesn’t enjoy chips?

Exactly, I really find it difficult to believe that ANYONE served a fish with head and tail attached, to a child. If this was the case then why didn’t the OP notice immediately and remove it on to another plate using the chips and a small portion of the fish. What mother watches a three year old sit down to a plate that includes a FISH head and tail!!
It all sounds quite ridiculous a bit far fetched to me, and poor hubby is trapped in the middle of it all.

Iwasafool · 05/04/2024 19:04

Curtainsforus · 05/04/2024 19:02

I'm 53 - I was a fussy bugger as a kid and I was never made to eat anything - I don't think my parents cared enough tbh - which is a whole other way of looking at things! But I notice that lots of people on this forum won't tolerate fussy eaters - (I don't believe they are all "old"), whether they are kids or adults they have invited to dinner, lots of people have an intolerance of fussy eaters.

I've known a few of the no nonsense eat what you're given types and some of them had their own thing they wouldn't eat. I found it quite funny.

GoodnightAdeline · 05/04/2024 19:09

She sounds overbearing and you sound like an insufferable ‘gentle parent’ type who is going to have a nightmare of your own making on your hands in years to come.

Ladyluckinred · 05/04/2024 20:03

IDontOftenComment · 05/04/2024 19:03

Exactly, I really find it difficult to believe that ANYONE served a fish with head and tail attached, to a child. If this was the case then why didn’t the OP notice immediately and remove it on to another plate using the chips and a small portion of the fish. What mother watches a three year old sit down to a plate that includes a FISH head and tail!!
It all sounds quite ridiculous a bit far fetched to me, and poor hubby is trapped in the middle of it all.

My thoughts exactly. It’s sounds like something out of a dark fairytale… scary witch serves fish head to child. What I find even more amazing is DD had three or four bites of it, so surely not overly bothered by the head or tail. Not sure why this detail was added to the OP.

Rosindub · 05/04/2024 22:06

costabel · 05/04/2024 13:16

sorry not the point of the thread but this question And do you eat fish and chips with the head of the fish still on? is too funny.

😂 I get for a child they may not like to see it, but for an adult why is it such a scandal? you dont have to eat the head you know? have you ever visited countries like Italy, where they can gulp a whole small fried fish entire? it is yummy.

Every time I have had trout in a restaurant it has been served whole with head and tail.

KomodoOhno · 05/04/2024 22:14

Actually now that I think about it I would never serve a 3 year old the whole fish because of the bones. Any whole fish I have had has included head tail bones...

LetsPlayShadowlands · 05/04/2024 22:35

She's a narcissist. She sounds like Cindy Watts.

Redpaisley · 06/04/2024 03:08

Quitelikeit · 04/04/2024 22:46

Honestly you have to ask yourself if this is worth the battle.

They love your child and your husband. That will never change. There is no need to deprive them of that love.

The woman isn’t really a risk to your daughter she just operates in a way that she knows how.

You can crack on being spiteful but then you will cause aggro for everyone

You shouldn’t come between them all. Simply step aside. Then everyone will be happy. (During visits etc, not from your marriage)

Oh and next time maybe dont discuss with the toddler that they’ll be having pasta for lunch! I mean who actually does that……..

She is not depriving child of grandparents love. Mil is.

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