To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

I'm not ashamed to admit l vote Conservative.. just had my local candidate to organise me a postal vote and he has just done that for me.
Pity the city l live in will always have a labour council though.. they spend too much on crap and their own expenses.

What have the Tories done for women? What are they pledging to do for women if they are re-elected? Ha e you cast a critical eye over any policy announcements on child-relates benefits,.child.maintenance, laws on domestic abuse etc?

The Tories hate women way more than any other party

A stopped clock is right twice a day - that's the fucking Tories over this issue

They force women into poverty, they don't enforce child maintenance payments. The make childcare practically unaffordable forcing women to compromise their careers. They restrict HRT and fuck the NHS.

They're FUCKING SCUM who got one thing right !

as a disabled woman with disabled children...off you fucking pop OP

I'm Scottish, I will NEVER vote Tory...

Hell would have to freeze over, before I vote Tories. Never have and never will same as Labour never voted them either.

I have always voted conservative but just can’t this time. The harm to the economy and to public services over the past few years is unforgivable. They gave us Luz Truss - I can’t forgive what her recklessness dod to interest rates. Suella Braverman and the Rwanda policy- I can’t support it. I would rather have Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner, and a new direction.

I think if women told their labour representatives that they would be voting Tory if they don't sort out their views on women, then I would support that.
But actually voting Tory ..... never.

I'm disabled. The Tories want me dead. I'll give it a miss.

I will never vote Tory, no matter what you say. They have proven themselves selfish, heartless and incompetent.

Can you explain to me why you consider the snp morally bankrupt but not the tories ?

Thanks for starting the new thread OP, I won't be voting Tory but appreciate that you came back and answered some of the questions from the last thread ☺️

You didn't realise, after the first thread, that most of us aren't going to vote for anyone who is disabled/a pensioner/on benefits (and many more) to be targeted by a party that's already run the country into the ground? Okay then.

I think you’ll vote Conservative regardless of the argument. However on your last thread I posted this https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/aug/09/uk-government-award-anti-abortion-figure-sam-brownback-edited-reproductive-rights-statement

all very well to say they know what a women is but their actions awarding a prominent anti abortionist and quietly amending a reproductive rights statement speaks louder. They know what a woman is so later they can remove our right to choose and have bodily autonomy!

exactly this. Staying up on election night to watch all the portillo moments 😁

So ignoring the huge damage they’ve done to the country and their corruption, to focus effectively on a culture war? I’m with JK Rowling but get a grip.

After all that they have done to hammer the poor, sick and disabled? After all the corruption and cronyism that has come to light?

Don‘t forget all this has happened on THEIR watch. 😡

I didn’t read the last thread so I’m sure this was pointed out already, but I’ll repeat it.

Are you aware of Penny Mordaunt’s opinions on trans issues?

I have strong concerns on labour's definition of a women and do agree there is wide spread problems that will come with what will be self I.d by the back door but....

I have a business in the doorstep of the most deprived area of my city which is also in the bottom 0.8 percent for the country. - I have seen children living in poverty, real honest to god poverty. The local Catholic Church now have safes to hold recovering addicts methadone because they no longer have support services to review them. Maternity services, social services, schools, nurseries, care provision - everything is on its knee's.

Your concerns are valid but it's now morally bankrupt of anyone to keep voting for this government after what they've done.

Not in a million fucking years.

I have never, and will never vote Tory.. is my polite answer!!

Perhaps Labour has simply realised the number of voters privileged enough to base their crucial vote on a single, niche imo, issue are not worth pursuing?

Good luck with your campaign, though. Another five years of Tory (mis) rule will definitely see a united Ireland, an independent Scotland and the push for independence in Wales grow exponentially.

Never voted for them. Never will!

I found it really heartening to read the hundreds of posts on OP's last thread from women who would rather shit in their hands and clap than vote Tory.

I'm hoping it's a good sign that their jumping on the GC bandwagon in a last-ditch attempt to deflect from their lies, corruption and economic incompetence won't be enough to help them cling onto power.

I have never voted for them, I most certainly never will. Ever.