To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

Hell will freeze over before I ever vote Tory.

Bit harsh on cretins, to compare them to the current Tory government.

I’m very sceptical of all threads from allegedly staunch labour voters urging people to vote Tory due to a single issue, especially if the Tory party are not united on that issue either.

I don't think it's that far-fetched. There have been several issues in the last decade that have disrupted the usual left/right divide. Most notably Brexit, but I'd say also gender, Scottish independence and the Middle East are topics where the strength of feeling is high enough that they are able to wrench a small but significant number of voters away from their usual voting choice in order to either support a policy they feel is vital or block one they think is intolerable.

There is absolutely no way I would vote Tory for whatever reason, at any cost. The town I live in is a Tory stronghold, and I vote for whoever might get them out. They have closed playgrounds, approved change of use for listed buildings next to schools so landlords can turn them into HMO for drug addicts and criminals, and allowed building on green belt land. Fuckers.

That's the local council though, not the government. Different election.

But same people and same mindset.

We don't have local elections this year, but in the last round, all three councils in my part of the world (Suffolk), which were previously held by the Tories, were lost - one went green, two went No Overall Control, with a coalition in each one between Independents, Greens and Labour. Things are getting better, and we are not getting massive council tax rises.

Tories are Tories, wherever they are.

Chope fundamentally disagrees with the procedure for the Commons considering Private Members’ Bills (which is complicated and really doesn’t make much sense to be honest). He routinely talks them all out as a protest, while tabling quantities every year. While he has always been on the hard right (notorious even in local government in the 80s, eg supporter of apartheid) it would be true to say that his behaviour over the upskirting bill was just typical of what he does all the time, rather than any targeted attack on that specific bill.

See a recent order paper for example: https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/86412/Html?subType=Standard

"Chope fundamentally disagrees with the procedure for the Commons considering Private Members’ Bills"

Does he?
How very high minded of him.

"Last year Chope proposed 47 private member’s’ bills of his own."

So, because Chope regularly behaves like a prat, we should forgive him?

So basically Chope is a deliberate disruptor with no regard for Parliamentary protocol, and he is also a hypocrite who holds extremely dubious moral views. Yep, sounds like a Tory and someone women should definitely vote for.

No, I think my desire to explain what was going on just emerged there! Chope is a dinosaur and his views are pretty dismal on everything. I think it more explains the reaction from everyone else - it was Chope doing his thing and he’s killed so many bits of worthwhile legislation of all sorts, this one just got added to the pile. MPs know why he does it.

Yes, I said that myself, and linked the Order Paper for the other week to illustrate. It’s all part of the same protest.

Ironically he is all about procedure (less so protocol).

I don’t vote Tory, and never will. Chope is only one of many with his views in the party.

Thanks for clarifying, @Warmwoolytights . I know OP has told us off for being mean about the Tories, but I do appreciate your addition of yet another item to the looooooong list of reasons why women should not vote for them.

I thought we were meant to despise protesters?

Ah, not protests made by Gentlemen on principles of procedure. Those are quite different.

As are road blocking farmers with tractors. No up roar about that.

Solid chaps in Barbours.

Yes, thanks tights. It's been 6 years since the upskirting bill and I'm still angry. ** I hadn't taken into account a different attitude to protocol and procedure.

It's a shame he couldn't bring himself to redirect his anti PMB crusade to something a bit more productive.

Personally I am outraged that some MPs spent a few moments on something irrelevant on the PMB before Truss' so her's never got debated.

The whips use Chope to spoil bills and he gladly does it. There is a reason he was not disciplined and indeed given a knighthood for his efforts. All parties have their useful idiots.

There are some very odd people calling lbc tonight. Several of whom have said Rishi bad, Boris good, Rees-Mogg for PM. They aren't joking. Sorry OP, not a prayer of agreeing with such deranged opinion. They're "real " Tories by the way, not "puppets" like Rishi. Heaven help us.

Very true. Although he has bollocksed their own bills in the past too.

Both Truss’ bill and upskirting met the fate of many PMBs in that they were talked out but ended up (or will end up) incorporated in a bigger piece of Government legislation. Truss’ Bill would never have passed (for procedural reasons - it was too far down the ballot) but they are used as an opportunity to raise the issue in the House.

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