To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

[Hurrydash]

Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

Maybe we should all report the mistake in the title? I think that would be really kind.

I agree with you OP.

You seriously belive a Labour government would lead to JK Rowling being imprisoned?? That is just utterly ludicrous. They are talking about acyual hate crimes not mearly tweeting an opinion or writing an open letter in a broadsheet.
Free speech is indeed important. You may want to double check what it actually means.

A link to your previous thread would be helpful when you start a follow up

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5037806-to-want-every-women-in-england-to-vote-tory-at-the-gr?page=1

No. Fucking. Way. I hate the tories with a vengeance. They have done enough damage over the last 14 years thank you.

The Tories are a terrible choice for free speech, unless you fancy being jailed for stickers.

Zero seats, clear them out.

Neil Kinnock's speech in 1983. How prescient.

7 June 1983 , Glamorgan, Wales
If Margaret Thatcher is re-elected as prime minister on Thursday, I warn you.
I warn you that you will have pain–when healing and relief depend upon payment.
I warn you that you will have ignorance–when talents are untended and wits are wasted, when learning is a privilege and not a right.
I warn you that you will have poverty–when pensions slip and benefits are whittled away by a government that won’t pay in an economy that can’t pay.
I warn you that you will be cold–when fuel charges are used as a tax system that the rich don’t notice and the poor can’t afford.
I warn you that you must not expect work–when many cannot spend, more will not be able to earn. When they don’t earn, they don’t spend. When they don’t spend, work dies.
I warn you not to go into the streets alone after dark or into the streets in large crowds of protest in the light.
I warn you that you will be quiet–when the curfew of fear and the gibbet of unemployment make you obedient.
I warn you that you will have defence of a sort–with a risk and at a price that passes all understanding.
I warn you that you will be home-bound–when fares and transport bills kill leisure and lock you up.
I warn you that you will borrow less–when credit, loans, mortgages and easy payments are refused to people on your melting income.
If Margaret Thatcher wins on Thursday–
– I warn you not to be ordinary
– I warn you not to be young
– I warn you not to fall ill
– I warn you not to get old.

I would need a lobotomy to get me to agree to vote tory.

you call the SNP morally bankrupt, but support a party whose leaders lied to parliament and the monarch, partied while others died alone, single (well double, if you count the chancellor) handadly near on bankrupted the country but for the intervention of the Bank of England, promised to rule with integrity and then gave an honour (and the right to vote on matters of national interest) to one of its biggest doners, refused to return a donation from a man who suggested a black woman MP should be shot.

and that only covers the last three PMs.

I'm an oulier. An old woman who voted remain and will not vote tory for as long as I have a hole in my arse.

She wasn't brave enough the first time either

Is @Hurrydash going to come back to the thread I wonder.

I am starting to suspect she might actually be anti-Tory because, as with the last thread, most people are welcoming the opportunity to forcefully articulate why they won't sully themselves by voting for the cunts Tory.

Ah, you're right. I thought she had for some reason.

The only real question remaining is whether the Tories can regroup after the election and start to be a credible opposition in Starmer's second term, or if by then some other party emerges as the 2nd party in British politics.

If life and politics could be so neatly segmented into a single issue topic then you might have some argument. But even then that single issue would probably miss all the nuances involved.

Having witnessed the endless Tory conveyor belt carrying buckets of crap that have systematically been dumped on women, families, disabled people, young people, carers, education, NHS and just about every single lifeline that a decent society should have for its citizens, it’ll be a hard pass from me.

Throughout their very, very many chances to convince the electorate otherwise, this party has consistently shown itself to be morally bankrupt, self-serving, rudderless and incompetent. Why on earth would anyone with a pulse choose to vote for any more of this?

Again no vote? How strange! I haven't worked out how to c&p my answer from the last thread but to paraphrase, no f-ing way. Nhs, education, public services all on their knees and you want more of the same? 1 in 3 children living in poverty and you want more of the same? Plus the fact that you consider the snp are morally bankrupt and totally incompetent but the government we've had for the last 14 years aren't? OP you must on glue........
PS: either that or a comedy genius

Nothing, but nothing would get me to vote Tory.

You want to vote for more of this @Hurrydash

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/21/poorest-uk-families-hardest-hit-cost-living-crisis-official-figures

She'll probably be reelected.

You should run as a party of women candidate op - I am praying that there is one on my voting slip!

If I voted Tory my family would be booking me an urgent appointment at the memory clinic. No fucking way.

Have I understood correctly that the party that the OP is so keen on has just knighted a member of Mubarak of Eygpt's government.

I wonder what Mubarak's policies on women's rights and freedom of speech were?

Exactly. But the obsessed GC women are already saying "but Labour are worse"🙄

Not if my life depended on it

In fact rewarding men like that tells me exactly what Sunak thinks of women.

They’re all it for themselves but sorry OP 🦊 I’ll never vote cons- and I live in a con area. I love putting up Labour posters in my window, whilst watching the pathetic Tory cllrs stamping their little feet in protest. 🤣

Our local cllr (Tory obvs) has his own little fb page, during lockdown a woman posted about being attacked and he went fucking mental because it was one of his supporters…. £££ posts got taken down, edited, woman had a visitor, told to reframe her post. Meanwhile the attacker has been exposed for DV, house up for sale etc.

Tories also pushed housing developments through, ruining nature reserves.

UTTER SCUM

About this time last year a Tory MP was saying that women should have less education than men in order to stay home and make babies.
In his great strength Sunak did nothing about this.