To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

A very good question. It's like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhoea really.

I am politically homeless too. In the last few elections, I've spoilt my paper as it is the only way to register "none of the above", however it is too important this time to not let the Conservatives back in. That said, I live in a Conservative stronghold, so there is zero point voting Labour, which in a way is a relief as Starmer isn't covering himself in glory either. It will have to be the least worst of the rest of the bunch.

I haven't known it be this bad in my life. It is a shambles.

Their manifesto will be clearly costed when it is released!

I’ve voted for both but surely you can see Labour tribalism is there

Absolutely.
Or
As I mentioned the same tribal anti Conservative brigade
Anti green anti what ever.

It should be about policy !

So you're saying that if a rape survivor speaks from the perspective of being that, and gives their lived experienced opinion, they are being 'goady', and should therefore not comment on an issue that their abuse is central to? You're post is an absolute disgrace and if you had any human decency and human compassion you would edit or delete it.

@whatdidshedotogetahillnamedafterher I vote Lib Dem- they are a bit nimby but at a local level I find them decent. We have a Lib Dem MP and council.

In all fairness I would vote Labour if we were not in that position. - I don't agree with all their positions but think Starmer would be a far better choice as PM

As you know I was responding to a poster who said that would be happy to be called a vagina haver or some other such bullshit. That may matter not a jot to you but it matters to me rather a lot. FFS.

No, I am saying absolutely nothing of the sort.

Yes - I'm less exposed to that though!

Agree. Some of these posts are very accusatory, which given the subject isn’t right

You want the Tory’s to support freedom of speech? The ones that tried to outlaw protests and think you should protest quietly at home instead? The Tory’s have done more to strip human rights away than they ever have done to support or protect women ffs. They won’t be getting my vote

I have sympathy for the OP, but I'll say this: I remember when Donald Trump came out with his "pussy-grabbing" comment, and I thought, women aren't going to vote for him now.

Reader, 40 million American women proved me wrong.

But they're not putting womens rights at the top, they're putting anti-trans at the top.

When i say voting tory would be signing my death warrant, it's not just about one thing.

Its covering benefits, taxes, wages, disability rights, womens rights, healthcare, the environment, cost of living, education. When you protect the people at the very bottom of the social ladder, be it through poverty, race, disability, you protect everyone above them too.

To vote for a party that is single handedly destroying the support network that people like me needs, that also affects millions of other folk below the poverty line, isn't the way to go.

💯 it is very sad
I don't know where to go for quality feminist debate any more.

💯 again

Rape survivors have every right to talk of their experiences. But comments like the one you made that I've pasted below frame not caring about GC issues as something only people with 'privilege' as 'non-victims of trauma/abuse/rape' would do. Women should not be put in a position of having to admit to being assaulted in order to claim a legitimate voice in this matter. I think that is out of order.

If your privilege as a non-victim of trauma/abuse/rape means you don't care that mixed sex spaces cause children to miss school on their period, women to risk UTIs by not drinking fluids to avoid using the toilet at work, women avoiding participation in society/going out for fear they may need to use the ladies, then that's your priority.

But for some reason, the self id issue has made them dogmatically fixated on abstraction and spurious potential scenarios.

It started off as opposing self ID for some but for a certain group they are driven by a fear/ disgust/ hatred of trans women. Also not only do they want to stop anyone from legally changing sex, they actually want to reduce the numbers of trans people. I could say/ post more but don’t want to get the thread deleted.

I don’t think you’ve summed it up. I know there’s plenty of left wing voters on FWR but the one thing we generally have in common is to see single sex spaces, oh and the ability to cite biological reality, or stopping harm to dc eg puberty blockers.

Those things are just focussing on women not men.

Of course there are complaints that it’s ‘not real feminism’ or whatever but generally those posters don’t want single sex spaces and want to prioritise men.

As a survivor of CSA and rape I agree. I have much bigger concerns.

On every thread on this topic someone comes along thinking that they are entitled to speak for every woman who has experienced trauma.

I feel more threatened by the Police under the current Government than I do by a Trans person using the same bathroom as me. Others will have a different perspective and that's fine, but it is unreasonable to assume that anyone who doesn't align with the GC movement, or doesn't consider the issue of single sex spaces a top priority, has led a life of privilege and safety.

@horseyhorsey17 Yes I understand the need for budgets to rise, inflation for health products has been higher than for other products. How much tax can we raise to cover 6% for health and however much for other services.

It would have been nicer if the Non Dom situation had been sorted 12 years ago rather than in 3 years time, given the inevitable time lag. There will be objections from India and USA because of reciprocal agreements I am told.
We could have imposed Stamp Duty/Land Tax on companies registered abroad just as easily; that would have raised some extra dosh.
Where do you see the money coming from? I shall ignore variations on "the rich fuckers of course".

Just tell me one sector that the Tory government haven't messed up in their 14 years of chaos.

The list of failures is so long: including transport.......eductation......the NHS........Brexit..........farming......etc........etc

Remember the Eton educated are not your friends.

1000% this.

I wouldn't ever vote for the tories, ever.

I think life has got significantly worse for everyone under tory leadership. It's time for someone else to be in charge and try and fix all the shit.

If Labour support transpeople, they will definitely have my vote. But voting on one issue is not ideal, so I will read their manifesto with interest.

Caveat: I've read about 3 posts, apologies if this has already been said:

When Kemi was negotiating over the school guidance for genderwang, she said she wanted there to be a dedicated medical professional available for all young people who question gender because it's not a school's responsibility. She was told there aren't enough doctors for that. I laughed a horrible laugh when I read that: all social support services, whether GP, psych help, social workers, support workers - have been razed by the conservatives. I very strongly believe that this bollocks wouldn't have taken anywhere near as deep a hold if there were the services available, staffed with people who aren't actually so stressed they can barely keep afloat, who aren't living in emergency mode and firefighting or just checked out and working under the suffocation of learned helplessness. I'll never vote for them. They're looking around now wondering why all this nonsense is occurring and not twigging that they created the perfect fucking conditions for it.

If your privilege as a non-victim of trauma/abuse/rape

I am clearly talking about NON-victims here.

And NO WHERE do I say people need to disclose anything, or even need to, to commit. You are inventing a very nasty narrative, and you are gaslighting me. Your post is deeply offensive.

I'd love to know more about the increase in funding since Brexit - I was under the impression that in real terms (excluding up tick for Covid) the increase was below inflation and that the funding gap was increasing year on year. But maybe I'm wrong and Brexit and the Tories has saved the NHS after all.

And I wasn't just talking about NHS services. I'm talking about everything that is important to me including Education, Social Care... even Highways Maintenance.

I pay more tax, e.g. 20% VAT, and I receive less services. When I had DC in 2017 the children and family centres (AKA Sure Start) were still operating in my area so to get my baby weighed I just popped along to one of the drop in sessions - there were a couple running each week and you could also stop to talk to a HV if required - I did more than once. Now none are running, our HV service is provided via voicemail... it has gotten so bad that churches are now trying to fill the void by opening halls and running voluntary weigh in services... this feels particularly depressing when watching Call the Midwife as you can see us just taking massive steps backwards.