To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

I would not vote Tory if my life depended on it.

Rich, entitled (literally in many cases) self-serving fuckers, the lot of them. They have NO idea what it is like in the real world for ordinary folk.

But how can they enact policy and protect a group that they are unable to define? How can you tackle the gender pay gay when you consider some special men to be women for example?

@Ahugga in Denmark and Sweden it was notable that most public toilets were cubicles and unisex. It didn't seem to be a big deal. It also as a Dane told me tended to stop 'cottaging'

I am as GC as they come but I'd rather be called a "human with vagina" then have another year of fucking useless, money grabbing and incompetent twats that are currently destroying this country and everything that was ever good about it.

I don’t think they’re all Tories. I think the majority of them are intelligent, passionate, educated women, who historically might well have seen themselves certainly as progressive, probably left wing, often radical.

But for some reason, the self id issue has made them dogmatically fixated on abstraction and spurious potential scenarios. Rather than real issues that affect real women every single day.

I can't vote for the Tories, I just can't. I will be spoiling my ballot paper. The Lib Dems always win in my constituency anyway.

Absolutely we need more affordable childcare, but the extra hours are unworkable in the form the Tories have proposed. It's pointless trying to make something that can't happen, happen. It's their MO though - propose tax cuts but don't bother thinking about where the money needs to come from. (And of course they're also aware that it'll be Labour who have to try and make their unworkable policy work. They've left so many 'traps' for Labour that are going to totally fuck over the rest of us.)

Yep
I went into the benefits calculator on the Govn website and the take home pay calculator and put in lots of variables in terms of earnings. Cross referencing the two until I got to the two figures above.

I and others on MN did similar for another thread some time ago.

@localnotail indeed - as per my previous post. People need to look at a wider picture- it's doing your daughters or mother no favours if the country isn't functioning or has any proper planning.

How low you set the bar for yourself. How about we demand to be called women AND have a decent govt?

I actually don’t believe that most GC ‘feminists’ are really arguing for women’s rights in good faith at this point, largely due to posts like this. Like…how can you claim to care about protecting the safety of women in prison, while also asking people to vote for the party that are putting more women in prison, and promoting policies that are more likely to criminalize women (unable to leave violent partners due to a lack of access to their own benefits, and then ending up criminalized by association, or imprisoned for fraud or failure to pay fines brought on by poverty)? How can you claim to care about the rights of women in religious minority groups and so need to vote for the Tory party who are actively racist, have pushed hard for policies on immigration and citizenship which disproportionate harm BME groups and religious minorities? How can you say that you are voting Tory to ‘protect children’ when the Tory party policies are driving tens of thousands of children into real grinding poverty every day, and depriving them of basics like food and heating and access to education? How is it more important to ensure that there are no trans women on a woman’s ward than that there is a bed in a hospital for a patient at all?

Thankfully, I’m pretty sure most of the country absolutely sees through this bullshit and knows that what matters is not ‘what is a woman’, but rather ‘is there a functional NHS/education system/housing system/economy/ability for people to heat their homes and feed their families’.

Ps
The previous thread was for a person, married, with three kids.
Im married with three kids as well so I used the same example.

Didn't 'seem' to be a big deal, or no one talked about it? I know following a few Danish people on twitter it IS a big issue to them. But women are silenced.

As a disabled single mother to a disabled young adult, living on Benefits, UC/Carers Allowance, voting Tory would be signing mine and my sons death warrants.

@LakieLady What biological sex is your friend's trans child?

I said some.

You're right though. I moved in feminist circles but stopped a couple of years ago because of the right wing radicalisation that was happening through the GC issue. Feminists allying with anti-abortion right wing horrors because they agree on this one single niche issue, even though the right wing horrors would also like to eradicate all the rest of women's rights too. If you move in those circles, it's easy to see this as much more of an all-consuming real-world issue than it actually is. (And also, if you're comfortably off and a home owner, and not hugely fucked over by the Tories, you probably don't actually realise how much they really are fucking over women.)

And look. Jonathan Gullis in a shiny new job with title. Deputy Chair of Con Party no less. This, alone, should illustrate to any person still capable of rational thought in our benighted country that something is Very Wrong Indeed. And if you're prepared to vote for more of it, man or woman, then you need to read more and try to make more reasoned choices.

@WaterWeasel demand to be called women

wow - that’s your top electoral priority? What a lovely life you must lead.

Geez low bar indeed. At least ask for woman

Proud feminist here and a big believer in women's rights. I will 100% be voting Labour. Can't bear how the Tories crashed the economy & broken public services (the school roofs are literally falling in on our children) and driven so many children into poverty with austerity. There is no way I would vote Tory. No matter what culture war I would want to fight it's the economy stupid which matters most to me. And it's women who are disproportionately affected by the dire state of our public services, have significantly less money in pensions than men and the list goes on....

Where did they say it was their top electoral policy, that’s twisting things ! 😳
Are you an MP

I'll never vote Tory/conservative.
Ever.

Despite the fact that the erosion of women's rights is in my top three current political concerns, they represent the polar opposite of my views on pretty much everything else.

I just wish the other parties would stand up and state the obvious too. Acknowledge sex as a biological fact. It's absolute madness that they won't.

There are plenty of left leaning women who are gender critical. Labour are surely losing more votes than they are gaining by dodging the issue.

I’m a floating voter but it is depressing to think Labour will get in and then destroy the last vestiges of rights and protections for women.

And the ones who will suffer the most from the policy will come from the very vulnerable, poor and marginalised communities Labour are supposedly on the side of. And the Lib Dems and the Greens. I don’t get how any self respecting person who cares about women’s rights can vote for that.

@Whereareallthemillionaires
They haven't released their manifesto yet - nor should they - it will be released when the GE is called.

I am a great believer in taxing the rich, particularly the super-rich (asset & cash rich).

Take a look at Gary Economics - he's brilliant. He talks about an asset rich class that are buying the assets of the working and middle classes. He basically explains brilliantly that the asset & cash rich class hoard their wealth rather than spend it in society so only they benefit.
I would bring in laws / taxation to stop this from happening, whether that's a multiple property tax, or taxing foreign home owners.

I earn about £60k / yr I would happily pay up to £50 more per month if public services improved.

Same situation here.