To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

I think you’ve highlighted a good points here.
A lot of MNs on here are critiquing MNs for voting for their own personal gain, but everyone has a right to do so. In fact the vase majority do

The tragedy is that if that was their only support, they'd be a tiny minority party. They keep getting elected due to support from weird cap-doffers and aspirants who don't seem to mind that they are being exploited.

@Screamingabdabz

FFS - where do you get that from?

The tories have done women a great disservice

I personally dislike unisex toilets, but this was a women's toilet. Again, "cottaging" why is that women's problem?

I think there's a lot of snobbery when it comes to voting though - some won't vote Labour as still see it as the party of the working class. (I actually know people who think like this, it's pretty common).

Sorry, completely missing the point and have not read all the posts.
Is it "every woman" or "all women" you want to vote?
For what it is worth, I was going to post to say that if we don't get rid of this particular Tory govt, where would you see the UK in 5 years time?
Then I realised it would have to be where would you see the UK in 12 months time if nothing changes to stop this utter incompetence from continuing?
Our poor country.
Hold on though , there 's a change coming and we know that. Positive changes will take time and I am absolutely on board with this .

Plus....

UK infrastructure is worse than a developing country - roads are crumbling, train services are not integrated and are so bloody expensive nobody can afford to use them as a substitute for cars. They're run by greedy for-profit corporates.

Water Companies, privatised under the Tories with the promise of increased competition and improvements funded through profits - just let me hold my sides laughing, after hearing today that shareholders have voted against investments to improve water and sewerage infrastructure. Instead Ofwat (full of mates from the Water and Energy industry) stand by and let them tip millions of gallons of shite into our rivers and seas.

All infra services need to be re-Nationalised so the citizens get the benefits of these essential services, not the Fat Cats and shareholders.

That will never in a million years happen under a Tory Government.

'And you want everyone to vote Tory in case a trans woman wants a wee in the ladies’.

yes x 1M
lets put this into perspective. No way will I prioritise my vote on a single issue where I have the ability to engage directly with Corporates whose policies are anti-women. I just kick'em where it hurts, on their Balance Sheet by refusing to give them my business,

If you exclude all the women who have children in education and the ones with ill relatives and friends waiting for GP and hospital appointments oh and the ones who can't afford to heat their homes or buy basic food you might have a few left to vote Tory. But I doubt it.

Women are most at risk when there is systemic economic inequality.

Girls in the care system are the most vulnerable to exploitation. Women are most at risk of violence from people they know; economic dependence and their roles as care givers are the biggest factor that keeps them trapped.

Anyone who thinks mixed sex spaces, or predatory trans people are the biggest risk to women’s safety are out of their mind.

As a life long Conservative voter I can only say this mess of charlatons has completely wrecked our economy and so much more. I can hardly believe what they have done to all but decimate our country. I never thought in my 50 plus years I would ever witness this mess we are in. I know as do all women what a woman is and that issue is good enough for me we need to worry about much bigger things. I will not be voting either Labour or Conservative.when I cast my vote both parties are self indugant fuckers who do not deserve my vote.

noooo

Don't, it makes me so angry.

To be honest, the whole gender critical/self-ID issue thing is so much less important than the increasingly urgent need to protect our environment so we can actually live on the planet. Not voting in a government that's happy to poison our water sources seems like basic common sense.

I am a domestic abuse survivor. I still think there are more pressing issues facing the electorate and the incoming government.

And in defence of feminists round here- I am very gender critical and I won't vote Tory

My parents and dhs parents always voted Labour and it was definitely because they felt it was working class.
I have always voted Labour and I’m rather embarrassed to admit it but only because my parents did. ( I consider policy now)
A lot of people do vote Labour because it’s considered working class irrespective of the policies and won’t vote Conservative for the same reasons.
And visa versa.
Im amazed how many people go to the polling stations without actually having a clue on the parties policies.

You shouldn't have had to say that. Goady posts essentially trying to force women to admit to sexual trauma in order to be 'allowed' an opinion on this issue are really not on.

It's not the 'biggest' risk, but it IS a pretty big risk. It depends on what your priorities are. If your privilege as a non-victim of trauma/abuse/rape means you don't care that mixed sex spaces cause children to miss school on their period, women to risk UTIs by not drinking fluids to avoid using the toilet at work, women avoiding participation in society/going out for fear they may need to use the ladies, then that's your priority. But their are many that do care.

Btw, it's about predatory males, not "trans people".

Voting on single issues got Brexit. I'm afraid I like to vote with a bigger view than a single issue because women's issues are about so much more than the Trans issue (which I am mightily fed up of) how about we think about housing, health, (mental and physical) employment, energy, transportation, education, social care options- rather than just this single issue

I stand by my view that it's being whipped up because Tory's have nothing positive to campaign on- just as immigration was whipped up with Brexit when in reality the issues were bad government and planning and lack of investment in people and enterprise . We have the most immigration ever now and it's a lot of non EU families needing full services of health, housing and education , rather than young single people who came for a few years and often left again.

There are actually a surprising number in the opposite camp, though.

• Loads of people planning to vote Tory against their own best interests (and even the best interests of the people they claim to be supporting) because of a single issue
• Quite a lot of people who're well-off (think "£85k+") absolutely willing to vote Labour and pay more taxes in the hope that it'll actually improve the state of the country

Do I think Labour are perfect? God no, and I don't believe they're even the best party to run the country. They are, however, the only viable option relative to the 4th and 5th choice morons that form the alternative.

I know! It's terrifying. The number of people who say 'I'd never vote Labour' but when (gently) pressed for the reasons why, don't have any answer beyond some vague tribal understanding that 'Labour=bad.'

Haha! No chance 😂

Yes, @horseyhorsey17 it's got to the stage where my vote is becoming an issue of conscience for me more than ever in my voting life time. I could cry when I look around me, it really matters 😢

So you're saying that everyone who disagrees with you is privileged and hasn't experienced sexual trauma?

I agree.
However
My comment was for those who have critiqued MNs who chose to put womens
rights at the top of their agenda.

The same people who proclaim that they'll never vote Lib Dem, because they "betrayed the country" by not strong-arming Tories in the coalition on a single issue. Conveniently forgetting, of course, that they were the little spoon in that relationship, getting shafted by Cameron and his cronies...if they even realised that, or they're just repeating something they read on social media.