To want every women in England to vote Tory at the GR

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So I don't agree with Angela Rayner's description of the Tories as scum, but I get her drift and if she'd been more tempered in her language I probably would have bought in.

HOWEVER

For me - and actually should be got everyone - the only real issue at the next GE is freedom of speech/women's rights.

I see Labour as the destroyer of these and so must vote against them. The only meaningful way to do this is to vote Tory which I am reluctant but prepared to do.

Is this unreasonable?

Happy to be convinced - for real not just words - if there is evidence Labour (Starmer 1 in 1000 women have a dick) may see the light before the GE.

The Conservatives also froze income tax bands - which cancels out the NI cut - and the tax burden generally is the highest it's been since WW2. The extra nursery hours policy is unaffordable for nurseries, will put a huge number of them out of business, and there aren't enough childcare staff in the country to make it work.

Other than that - great policies.

Agreed.

You know that ALL politicians are the same, right?

What’s more Labour and the Conservatives have both stated they will not change the law to self ID.

I agree. Although there clearly are a number of naice posters on here who wouldn't do anything so common as vote Labour anyway.

No. The GRA is Labour law - and they are very proud of it too.

Exactly @WaterWeasel
I wouldn’t wait to Labour to give women any rights over the trans movement. They aren’t now and if they are voted in they’ll think ‘ they’ve got it right’.

Or should we all risk our personal freedom and safety because ooo Labour are the nice guys…….🤣🤣🤣🤣

What are Labour's policies on women's rights??

Are you not capable of using Google? It's nobodies job on here to do the research for you and provide you with a handy summary of all the major parties policies so you can make a decision without being arsed to inform yourself. You're the one who has come on here and stridently proclaimed that everyone should vote Tory because of a single issue that you happen to feel strongly about. People are perfectly entitled to say "fuck that for a game of soldiers" because we've all experienced 14 years of lies, corruption, economic incompetence, social inequality and an absolutely shameful willingness to turn a blind eye to the rise in child poverty and homelessness from this shower of absolute bastards.

But just for fun, I'll bite. Properly funded public services such as health, social care, housing and early years education are essential for the social and economic equality of women and these services have been decimated by the Tories but Labour is committed to funding those services. That is reason enough for me to vote for them. But they have also committed to action to support women experiencing workplace discrimination due to menopause, tackling the gender pay gap and investing in small businesses led by women and ethnic minority people. Whilst the Tories deny that structural racism even exists, Labour have planned to tackle it with a new Race Equality Act which will specifically address (among other issues) the fact that women of colour are disproportionately impacted by misogyny.

I work with vulnerable families. The women my colleagues and I are trying to support don't give a shit about the one and only issue you care about, OP. They care about the fact that they can't get treatment for severe MH issues or a special school place for their child with SEND, that they're living in one room with 3 kids in a dodgy B&B because there's no housing for them, that their disability benefits have been cut but their utility bills have gone up by 200%. The Government do not care about these women or the services that are desperately trying to paper over the cracks in their lives.

Anyone who thinks that the Tories give two shits about the safety of Women and girls is an absolute fool. They will say whatever they need to say to try to deflect from their lies, their corruption, the absolute mess they have made of the economy, the fact that their callous and unworkable immigration policy has been met with worldwide condemnation and ridicule. Their jumping on the GC bandwagon, just like their loathsome rhetoric about "small boats", is a pathetic last-ditch attempt to cling onto power and it smacks of desperation.

Labour are not perfect by any stretch and I'm not a big fan of Starmer, but since they are the most realistic prospect of getting the Tories out I will throw all my support behind them one hundred percent.

This isn’t correct as @WaterWeasel pp

Tbh at this point it’s all potato potAto… 🙄 can’t believe there are no decent politicians out there in the whole of Britain. basically you can’t put people in charge that are this good at lying and voiding answering questions professionally…and then the expect them to stick to their GE promises…

And there are alternatives to income tax hikes. Wealth taxes for example. Increasing capital gains tax and inheritance tax, windfall taxes, taxing climate destructing companies. I’m not saying one or any of these is the right way to go but there is more than enough money, it’s just held in the pockets of wealthiest.

Actually PFI was a Thatcher policy.

Women in prison do need specific protection. They are however a tiny number of the population compared to the much wider suffering of women under the Tories - women and children are far poorer under the Tories.

I think there's been so much fearmongering around the whole gender ID issue. Anyone who thinks that Keir Starmer is going to pretend there's no difference between men and women and not bother about stuff like the gender pay gap - which has GROWN under the Tories - or maternity rights or girls' educations is off their rocker. It's honestly like a cult.

Did the tories change it?

I think I love you.

Yep. I can’t see why they’d listen when they have mandate

The pp who said they’d get change after voting, well it’s admirable but good luck

As an aside a person earning £24,000 takes home including benefits the same as a person earning £52,000 in real terms because they do not receive financial benefits ( UC etc)

Have you got a source for this please, @Whereareallthemillionaires ? The amount of UC anyone gets depends entirely on their circumstances, so while it may be the case for some households, it's woefully inaccurate as a blanket statement.

@LawrieForShepherdsBoy Is it privilege, ignorance or stupidity to believe that self id laws and womens basic human rights are not the most pressing issue our society faces? Oh to have the privilege of not being a rape survivor/Domestic Violence survivor and not give a shit about how us survivors must cope day in day out. How privileged of you. See, that's the difference. I believe people who don't care about single sex spaces are obviously very privileged that they've never experienced sexual trauma in their lives.

I love this post. Bravo!

Free childcare is an issue.
We need more nurseries and that is going to take time
( but then as an aside, the free places should just be for working parents not SAHP. )

The financial workability of nurseries relies on parents paying for some hours, if very few do and only use up the free hours nurseries just can’t afford it.

It is hoped some of the non working or low hour working population using the free places will extend their hours or get back into the work force. This is a policy that will take a lot time for us to see a societal benefit.

Its pointless thinking it’s crap straight away, we have to look at the long term.

It isn't women's responsibility to protect male people from other male people.

I am not mega woke, I agree with jk Rowling on stuff- I will however most definitely not be voting Tory (I vote Lib Dem because we have a good Lib Dem Mp with a decent majority)

The fact is if it means me putting up with 'woke' (whatever that means) as opposed to having a country that has turned into the Wild West in terms of public services, having a bunch of corrupt self serving bigots in charge , huge bungs to donors and a lack of any governance or forward planning or any business sense whatsoever - then so be it. You have to be a complete I'm all right Jack not to realise that the country needs a mental reset in so many ways- and the Tory's have even made that hard by trashing our credit rating, pushing through Brexit (rather than maybe have scaled down to a Norway option for a few years and see how it went) and generally funding their mates, allowing water companies to pollute with no comebacks .

The Tory's are going all out on the gender thing (whilst having been in charge - they had the capacity to make changes/laws) and other petty culture stuff simply because they have nothing positive they can campaign on

Dear god - I would never vote tory!!

Just look at:

The state of the nhs
The state of social care
The state of children's NHS and social care services
The complete fuck up of a covid response
The cost of living crisis
The homelessness scandal …I could go on!!

they are no friend of women or anyone else - they are a bunch of millionaires who don’t live in the real world and have no concept of how bloody hard it is for some people!

I think you are beyond delusional @horseyhorsey17 if you think protecting womens most sacred safe single sex spaces is 'right wing'. Since when is that 'right wing'?

How on Earth is that the real issue? Do you know what a small percentage of people the trans community makes up? But you’re in favour of losing the NHS, the poor getting poorer, the education system being destroyed because of that? Wild

Anybody who thinks gender-based policies will be any different under either party is deluding themselves. The Tories aren't going to do anything different to Labour, they just say they will and refuse to talk about it further.

Meanwhile, if you think Labour aren't a friend to women, the Tories are outright hostile to everyone who isn't at the very top of society, and they're totally cool with destroying everything to fit that image, just like they have been doing for the last 14-15 years.

So yeah, vote Tory if you want the illusion of women's rights while everyone's equally-drastically diminished and miserable in every way possible, regardless of their identification. Or don't, on the chance that the country may improve over the following five years, but very probably won't get worse.

I'm no fan of Labour, but they're a far better bet than the alternative.