To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

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Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

No one us being ‘piled on’ and ‘bullied’

If a poster complains about the existence of a thread every time the topic is raised it’ll get noticed.

There is no difference between the Conservative line and the Labour line on this. The Conservatives are more to blame imo as they have the majority and could get this sorted if they wanted to.

They don't have any intention of doing that, because they would rather use it as a political football going into the GE.

If it is your voting issue, at the moment you can vote Reform or SDP. Or Party for Women if they manage to get any candidates or policies before the GE.

Indeed. I can read them too and I’m struggling to find any attempt to shut you down. Quite the reverse actually, I’ve engaged with you over several posts now.

When in doubt and losing the argument accuse someone of a pile on and bullying...

Or could it be that just most posters disagree?

That's your opinion.

We can all see who the regular posters are on these threads and we can all see who is getting accused of "shutting down", "harming women", "disingenous" etc.

You can disagree without being rude and pulling your smears across different threads.

I like the full word transvestite.

Let's all use the full word, its clear what it means. Trans doesn't stand for transport does it lol.

Or perhaps Adam you and blossom could just leave us to discuss the very real harm happening to women in Spain because of self ID. Have you even read the article?

A women who was raped does not have the protection under law she would have if the male did not identify as a woman.

Males are trying to access the shelters where their victims are trying to escape them.

Pretty horrific huh?

Yes it is my opinion.

It’s a chat forum to post opinions

I don’t understand posters who are attracted to threads just to say not this again every time.

Especially when they also post about a shift on Self ID or maybe they are for or against puberty blockers. Those changes took people speaking up in the first place.

Pretty horrific huh?

You’d think so. Why the focus on this thread existing rather than the article which lays bare the harms

Or perhaps Adam you and blossom could just leave us to discuss

And you have the audacity to assert that I’m shutting you down! The sound of shattering glass is deafening.

And your actual opinion on the article Blosson? Rather than trying to tell us not to talk about it? I'd like to hear your opinion.

Do you really appear on every thread on this issue trying to derail with whataboutery as other posters have said?

"In one particularly disturbing case, a woman reported a man to the police for allegedly drugging and raping her in front of her young daughter. She later found out that he had legally changed his gender. This meant that a number of protections she would ordinarily be entitled to have now been taken away."

We're told we should be talking about decriminalisation of rape rather than self ID.

Well here's a quote from the article.

Let's discuss this shall we? It's almost as if the issues are interlinked. 🤔

I can. Took 2 seconds to find these with google.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hospital-dismissed-claim-of-rape-by-trans-attacker-bssxvbqch

I guess a lot of people have been tricked into thinking that TWAW in important ways, like behaviour, criminality, sexual preferences, empathy, and that only their bodies are different from women. And that they are at great risk if they are in single-sex male spaces, while they pose no risk if they are in single-sex female spaces.

But anyone who follows this topic knows that TW behave exactly like men.

"According to records, there have been six known cases so far in Madrid of men accused of violence against women legally changing their gender. In three of these cases, the men went on to apply to stay in women’s shelters. So far, it appears that shelter staff have refused them entry."

Another quote from the article for discussion. Seems to me like self ID will end up aiding male violence against women.

Yet we're told it's international best practice and there are no issues and we shouldn't talk about it. 🤔

It’s pretty obvious that Spain has gone much further with self ID than anything proposed in this country since May ditched her ridiculous bill in 2017.

Since early 2023, it has become astonishingly easy to change your legal gender in Spain. All you have to do is make two official declarations at a registry office, three months apart. There is no medical consultation or intervention needed, nor do you need to show proof that you actually intend to live life as your chosen gender.

None of this (now) applies to any proposal made in the UK, although Liz Truss’ reduction of the fee for a GRC to a fiver certainly hasn’t deterred anyone from seeking one.

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

The SNP and the Scottish greens still wish to implement self ID.

They still insist there are no issues with international implementation of self ID.

Hence the need to continue to discuss the examples of how self ID is furthering male violence against women and affecting rape victims such as in the article posted in the OP.

The Scottish GRR bill just required one statutory declaration.

And a minimum of six months of living as the acquired gender. It’ll be interesting to see how many UK parliamentary seats the SNP retains in the next election. The polls don’t look good fr them.

Don't forget that sex offenders were not excluded.

3 months actually unless under 18, have food in my fridge older than that. How does a male live as a woman do you think? Is it in any way an onerous requirement to fulfil?

It’s interesting that pp spend time deriding women who speak up but post links to politicians’ views on self ID

If there has been any shift on this policy and other gender issues it’s down to those women. If any shift is to remain it’s also down to women saying no.

There will be lobbying from men still, if women nicely stop doing anything as pp would like them to then gains are easily lost.

It’s all a bit of a smokescreen. Self id or gender recognition certificate, same old bull shit.

The fact is in the U.K. (worse in Scotland) , a male can claim he’s a woman and eg. Enter women’s categories on sports, go into women’s safe spaces and the rest of it. A male can call himself a woman and rape a child, woman, man, and be recorded as a woman on police records.he could even go to a women’s prison.

No one can ask for a GRC nor are they bound to show it. As any male who wishes to abuse the female sex knows. Yes the Spanish self id has made the consequences very clear - but let’s not fool ourselves.

Extreme trans ideology is indeed a charter for male predators. If you open the door to some men, you open the door to ALL men.

It is here and it will only get worse under a Labour government - whilst they tell us all that thousands of women have penises.

The only way to change it is to make biological sex a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

It’s interesting that pp spend time deriding women who speak up but post links to politicians’ views on self ID

Interesting isn't it? Also interesting still no actual discussion or comment on the impact of self ID on the rights of raped females highlighted in the OP.

If there has been any shift on this policy and other gender issues it’s down to those women. If any shift is to remain it’s also down to women saying no.

There will be lobbying from men still, if women nicely stop doing anything as pp would like them to then gains are easily lost.

Exactly. There are no guilt trips, accusations or whataboutery attempts that will prevent discussion anymore.

I hope those transwomen (men) sue those shelters and their pictures are all over the press. Detailing their history of violence against women and that they are now demanding access to a women's shelter.

I remember the fuss recently about trans police officers and body searches of women. It seems the police backed down and didn't insist trans officers can search women. Shame. It's another case I'd like to see going to court and all over the press. A transwomen officer, sueing his employer and demanding the 'right' to strip search women. I think publicity about cases like this is the only way to expose it for the nonsense it is.

Agree