To think that unless the leaders in this country stand up to this sht, women and children’s rights are totally fcked?

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Sadly Spain is providing ample evidence of why this is all a terrible idea.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/26/spains-trans-equality-law-is-a-predators-charter/

There will be some that spend time saying no one cares

It’s hard to see why but they don’t read these threads other than to say stop speaking up.

It’s worth remembering women who have spoken up have moved politicians from Self ID and now puberty blockers have been stopped.

Some may wish that wasn’t the case but it’s not worth following that route for women or children

I don't dispute that it is.
Register as a woman, get the perceived, or actual, advantages that brings without making any effort at all to change anything about your male presentation. I hope more men do this personally, expose this for the nonsense it is. I don't know about maternity leave for example (using it as a made up advantage), but, your wife has just had a baby, register as a woman, boom, you've also got a year off on maternity leave without changing a single thing. As I said, I hope more men do this, without changing a single thing and, we see court cases all over the media, with breaded men called John insisting they are women and sueing those who say they aren't. That's the fastest way to turn this around.

There are no women's rights if men can just declare themselves women.

I was incredibly shocked when I read about how this happened in Germany in the 1980s, led by 'progressive' Green Party policies.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/past-pedophile-links-haunt-german-green-party-a-899544.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

So I would have enormous concerns about any developments that undermine safeguarding in any way. We all should.

But they can’t. No political party supports self ID. It’s a completely confected problem.

So why then @blossomtoes do we have males in women's sports, males taking jobs legally reserved for females in rape crisis centres, males taking women officer political positions, males representing women at the UN etc etc.? Need I go on?

Confected problem my arse.

Self ID does exist in that a male can enter any female space and no one will check

Eddie Izzard is a good example, does he have a GRC? Maybe not but if he doesn’t he can still get access.

As for politicians knocking it down the agenda that’s due to women speaking up, which pp is at pains to stop on every thread.

You can speak up as much as you want @EasternStandard. I have no interest in stopping you. Equally I too will speak up to disagree with you and your narrow worldview.

I find you entrenched by a narrow male prioritisation so the feeling is mutual.

You mention politicians moving away from self ID is that something you wanted?

Same question for continuing puberty blockers

Well funny that because you seem to be complaining that someone started a thread on this issue. 🤔 almost like you think we shouldn't be talking about it.

They do that on every thread on the topic.

Yesterday the Conservatives made Mens Rights Activist Philip Davis MP a lord. Yes that's just what we need. An anti-feminist in the Lords. Well done Tories.

The Conservatives don't give a monkeys about women's rights.

Unfortunately too many women have been hoodwinked by their campaigning into believing this is an existential threat they have to fight against. The political reality is there is a gnats fact between Labour and Tories. Its really not a voting issue and "leaders" aren't going to go to self ID so the Spanish situation is a red herring.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/26/tory-mp-philip-davies-to-speak-at-us-mens-rights-conference

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38305412.amp

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-philip-davies-esther-mcvey-tracey-crouch-prime-minister-b1148414.html

I don't think "feminism" that stands back and applauds while males claim to be women and allows them to speak over and for females is any kind of feminism.

It's just regressing back to times when males made decisions for females. How can you not see that?

I merely observed that there are many threads all covering the same ground. It wasn’t a complaint. Talk about what you want - and expect challenge from those who disagree with you.

Same way as you can’t see how biased and tunnel visioned you are, I guess. Nobody’s applauding anything, incidentally. I don’t think feminism that ignores the very real harm suffered by thousands of women every day is any kind of feminism either but you seem to.

‘It wasn’t a complaint’

You complain in the same way on every thread about this.

I think you misunderstood blossom.
I agree with her. Self ID is not on the table and there are currently far more pressing problems for women than gender politics. Prioritising this over everything else is damaging tunnel vision.

It wasn’t a complaint.

Can you provide a link? Are you UK based?

"Same way as you can’t see how biased and tunnel visioned you are, I guess. Nobody’s applauding anything, incidentally. I don’t think feminism that ignores the very real harm suffered by thousands of women every day is any kind of feminism either but you seem to."

Do I? You know nothing about me.

Am I trying to shut you down talking about these things like you seem to be trying to shut down our very real concerns?

Please show me where I’ve tried to shut you down @Rainbowshit. Great name, by the way.

"I think you misunderstood blossom.
I agree with her. Self ID is not on the table and there are currently far more pressing problems for women than gender politics. Prioritising this over everything else is damaging tunnel vision."

Self ID is very much still on the table in Scotland where I live and also if Labour get in.

Here's the thing, females can multi task and care about more than one issue at a time.

This thread is about one particular issue. Why are you so keen to shut down discussion? ADAM...oh

You know everyone can read your posts right?

It doesn't take a lot of thinking to understand this issue is harder for labour to deal with. I'm sure many of them are equally concerned and horrified by this trend but ultimately they are the progressive party now and inclusivity is a central pillar to the party. They will always be under more pressure to bend to accommodate minority groups, particularly ones as vocal as this. It's just not politically as difficult for the Tory's to take a firmer line.

When in doubt, imply someone is a man.

Maybe take 2 seconds to use advanced search. I'm a woman, a feminist and have posted on mn for years.

I'm not shutting down discussion, I don't like to see people being piled on and bullied. If you don't agree with Blossom you can say that without being unpleasant and implying she's trying to shut you down.