To feel sorry for the Tories?

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The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

Nor for 6 Chancellors of the Exchequer.

The 1945 Labour landslide was not a vote against Churchill. There was a “swing to the left” during the war, but remember that Churchill was an outsider in the 30s, not associated with the “guilty men” who governed the country during the Depression. Although he was Tory leader, during the war he was seen as a “national” rather than a party figure.

Are the far left more dangerous than the far left? I think they’re both as dangerous as each other. But in recent years, I think the far right have posed a bigger threat.

In recent years, I think the closest we’ve come to a far left politician running the country is when Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader. He had some inappropriate beliefs in terms of people he has expressed support for in the past and he was very wedded to specific issues, so he probably wouldn’t have been a very effective Prime Minister. Also, he managed the antisemitism allegations in Labour very badly. However, he never said anything offensive or inflammatory about anyone.

I think Reform are dangerous for the country though. For example, Lee Anderson (previously a Tory MP, now Reform MP) has said some very inflammatory and offensive things about the Mayor of London and about Muslims. Also, Jo Cox was killed by someone who had far-right beliefs and the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park in 2017 was committed by someone with far-right beliefs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Finsbury_Park_van_attack).

The bookies all point to a huge Labour win. They are rarely wrong. Neither are the polls.

Tories are toast and they all know it. That is why so many have already jumped ship and are just marking time for the pay and freebies.

What have the Tories done for us in the last 14 years?

Loads of things! All variations of the theme of ‘making rich people richer.’

Working from the assumption that the Conservatives will get wiped out at the next election, who I actually feel sorry for is Labour because with record debt, record taxation levels, crumbling public services, foreign conflicts and a very divided nation then there will be a lot of expectations on Labour but very limited ability to deliver.

Some of the problems faced by the Conservatives are not their fault such as Covid or Ukraine crisis or economic downturn. But some such as Brexit are.

When Labour win I expect the Tories to turn hard to the right under a Braverman, Patel, Mordant, Badenoch. I can also see Labour potentially lasting only one term as well.

What worries me alot is the division in society today and how democracy is being undermined.

"a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy"

But which made a lot of their mates very rich.

Oh dear, what a pity. Anyway...

I wouldn't worry about them! It won't be long before labour screw up and they get voted back in anyway

Kindest interpretation of this post is OP is a bit bored and decided to throw this hilarious hand grenade of a post in for goady laughs.

If however OP genuinely believes that the Tories who have basically trashed the country, our children's future and carpet bagged the contents of the treasury and our wallets are deserving of either respect or pity then I wish her a speedy recovery for whatever is ailing her and send thoughts and prayers.

Nope. Absolutely no sympathy for them whatsoever. They’ve been led by the biggest idiots they could find over the past decade. Should never have left Europe. Boris was the biggest joke and inept at leading through a pandemic. If they are the best of the conservatives please get rid of them as quick as possible. Don’t trust any of them.

HA! And this lot haven't screwed up at all.

I think Labour will have two terms in office. It will take that long for the Tories to transform into an electable party. They will be tearing each other apart for a long time. Reform UK will grow and then probably go poof, without ever winning a seat (unless we adopt PR).

On that note, I hope that Starmer has the sense to introduce PR during my predicted two terms. The Tories will never have a majority again if that happens, at least while we have a UK.

The Tories had an 80 seat majority in 2019. They could have done a lot with that majority. Instead they have collapsed into a stinking pool of sleaze. corruption and racism.

I was hoping the OP was being wonderfully sardonic but perhaps she's had a blow to the head?

At this point there are only two types of people who look at the tories and don't think they deserve being wiped out for a generation:

1. The tory's rich mates who benefit from having a self-serving, corrupt goverment looking out for their interests at the cost of everyone else.
2. Complete and utter idiots.

@User135644 hi rishi. welcome to mumsnet
just because am institution is old, doesn't make it valuable
the tory party has been busy kicking the poor, dismantling our public services and throwing dynamite at out economy while cutting off our allies and being unashamedly racist

the sob story of it was the previous administration (its been 14 fucking years, stop blaming labour, the financial crisis was not of their making anyway), the pandemic, Ukraine and gaza just won't wash.

hopefully time out of government will return sanity to the tory party and bring back competent, sane people like Rory Stewart back into the fold

The other issue for the Tories is that their core older voters are obviously dying out or deserting them in disgust. A double whammy.

I just want a political party that wants to enrich our lives, bring some hope to the hopeless and correct the mess the last decade has cursed us with.

If your husband had worked in the intensive care unit of a hospital treating Covid patients whilst his colleagues died for want of proper PPE you wouldn’t feel sorry for them. I will never forgive their mismanagement of that pandemic, they even ignored proper suppliers to give money to their donors who’d set up last minute companies with substandard PPE.

They are morally corrupt beyond belief.

The global crash happened in 2008, do you have any sympathy for Labour who were in power at that time and who you probably blame for the financial consequences?

Are you really serious OP or having a laugh? I think the latter.

I certainly have a lack of respect for most of their "achievements"

Same sex marriage
Achieved Brexit
Trade deals achieved post-Brexit
One of the fastest Covid 19 vaccine roll outs, achieved outside of the EU
The transformative educational reforms under Michael Gove
Levelling up - all the funding that has been directed to the regions as a result of this, the left behind areas
City mayors

I could go on but it'll feel like a Life of Brian sketch. What have the Tories ever done for us? But i'm not saying there weren't missteps. The Truss budget is still in the minds of voters as it's hit them in the wallet.

Don't vote Tory then.

Feel sorry for them?

Not one bit.

It's been one scandal after another for years.

They couldn't lie straight in bed.

Cannot wait for them to go.

The next government may be no better I get that, but if we leave these in with everything that's gone on to date, the lies will only get worse.

People were dying in hospitals without being able to see their family and they were partying and giving PPE contracts to their mates and no doubt getting a kickback. I think they are the scum of the earth.

Everything the Tories have done is a wankstain on the history of this country.
2nd most miserable country in the world, people!