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To feel sorry for the Tories?

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User135644 · 13/03/2024 13:42

The Conservative Party are a British institution. The most successful political party in the democratic world. They're going through a bad time at the moment and have been dealt a bad hand. They inherited a global financial crash which the western world is still to recover from and then a once in a lifetime pandemic which has further crippled the economy. Now there's wars in Gaza and Ukraine. Really unfortunate circumstances for them to operate in.

It looks like they're going to get a really bloody nose in the next election. Starmer has taken the centre ground and now Reform are starting to steal their MPs as well as voters. Now even their biggest donor is caught up in a scandal. When it rains it pours.

How can they recover from this? Can they recover from this?

The Tories are the great survivors but it's hard to see how they can win the next election, or maybe even the one after that.

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Acapulco12 · 13/03/2024 14:33

I don’t think the OP is saying specifically that Labour caused the economic crash. It is true that the Tories ‘inherited’ the crash, in the sense that the crash had happened before they came to power and they came in and had to deal with its effects.

Yeah, I meant the Tories have inherited the fall out from the crash. The big western economies have never really recovered from 2008 and the Tories are getting the blame for it here, unduly.

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MammaTo · 13/03/2024 14:43

Between this and the post about the dropped curb - mumsnet is pulling them out the bag today 😂😂😂😂

DarkDarkNight · 13/03/2024 14:43

Is this a parody? I’m not a Conservative but can accept that people believe that different ways of running a government and the country are right. I can accept that, but this Conservative government is the most craven, corrupt and self-serving government I have ever known.

If I was a Conservative I would be thoroughly ashamed of how low my party has sunk. They have sold out their values to creeps like Lee Anderson to try to win over the Nigel Farage fan club. I hope it blows up in their faces.

Vod · 13/03/2024 14:46

They did enough of it to themselves that I've no sympathy at all.

In terms of how they come back, who knows? There's no iron law saying they will. The Liberals could tell them something about that.

SomersetTart · 13/03/2024 14:47

People can sing it all they like, but it shows a lack of respect for what they've achieved over the centuries.

When we vote we are voting for our future not showing our respects for the past.

Acapulco12 · 13/03/2024 14:47

User135644 · 13/03/2024 14:39

They're the world's most successful political party. Labour haven't even had that many years in power. The Liberal Party achieved more and Labour's rise coincided with their decline.

People can sing it all they like, but it shows a lack of respect for what they've achieved over the centuries.

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After checking a few sources, I can see your point that they’re the world’s most successful party. However, that doesn’t mean anything other than the fact that they have good political strategists and campaigners who can help them win an election. That’s literally all it proves.

The whole point of singing that sort of chant is to show disrespect. The exact reasons why people don’t respect the Tories is all of those mentioned by me and other posters in this thread.

If you have a situation where a political party is very successful at being re-elected and where its electorate are not allowed to show disrespect towards them, that basically makes the country a dictatorship. It is the opposite of a democracy. And most people - including me - would always choose to live in a democracy, rather than a dictatorship.

Hoppinggreen · 13/03/2024 14:48

I voted Conservative for most of my voting life, joined the YCs at Uni even but now I loathe what they have become and I cant ever imagine voting for them despite being what you would probably assume to be their key demographic.
I take great delight in the fact that Cameron trigger Brexit to try and protect himself and his party and it has ultimately destroyed them - its the only silver lining to the shit show of a cloud that is Brexit
I feel a lot of things for The Tories but sorry isn't one of them

Desecratedcoconut · 13/03/2024 14:48

I do think, in political landscape built around a two party system, it's a loss for everyone when the opposition is so withered that they are unable to hold the government of the day to account or effectively oppose bad decisions.

I don't feel sorry for them though - the Labour party are thriving entirely off their failure to deliver much of anything that was promised.

I have huge concerns about a Labour government though. Their economic options are incredibly limited and their brand of social progressivism is batshit. Fun times ahead.

TisTheDarnSeason · 13/03/2024 14:48

but it shows a lack of respect for what they've achieved over the centuries.

By all means enumerate those achievements for us, OP. I for one would be delighted to hear why you think this party of selfish, venal, racist, snouts-in-the-trough parasites deserves an ounce of sympathy from ordinary people like me.

Hereyoume · 13/03/2024 14:50

Is that you Rishi?

Acapulco12 · 13/03/2024 14:50

User135644 · 13/03/2024 14:42

Yeah, I meant the Tories have inherited the fall out from the crash. The big western economies have never really recovered from 2008 and the Tories are getting the blame for it here, unduly.

Considering that the Tories have had 14 years to recover from the effects of the crash, and it has not only not recovered but it’s got worse, I don’t think the Tory are being ‘unduly blamed’ for it. Who else is responsible for this, if not the Tories?

The economy has suffered during the time the Tories have been in power because of various things they could control (e.g. Liz Truss’s budget, austerity, Brexit, response to Covid) and things they couldn’t (Covid, the war in Ukraine). On the whole, the things in their control outweigh the things out of their control.

SerendipityJane · 13/03/2024 14:51

Is there a gofundme set up ?
Maybe we all need to take to the streets every Thursday and "clap for cons" ?
We call all join the tory party - twice - just to help out.
They seem to be so distressed that even Putin is helping them.

Mercurial123 · 13/03/2024 14:52

Why should I feel sorry for a corrupt, racist party who has no regard for the people they are serving but only interested in lining their pockets?

traytablestowed · 13/03/2024 14:52

The entire Tory reign has been one massive clusterfuck after another.
YAB unbelievably U.
You must be joking or high.

TisTheDarnSeason · 13/03/2024 14:53

I have to say, I do think that perhaps the OP is having their little joke here.

Still, it makes a change from Cut-and-Paste-Clavinova.

User135644 · 13/03/2024 14:53

TisTheDarnSeason · 13/03/2024 14:48

but it shows a lack of respect for what they've achieved over the centuries.

By all means enumerate those achievements for us, OP. I for one would be delighted to hear why you think this party of selfish, venal, racist, snouts-in-the-trough parasites deserves an ounce of sympathy from ordinary people like me.

Winston Churchill led us through World War Two as a Conservative Prime Minister.

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TisTheDarnSeason · 13/03/2024 14:55

User135644 · 13/03/2024 14:53

Winston Churchill led us through World War Two as a Conservative Prime Minister.

And?

Vod · 13/03/2024 14:55

Hoppinggreen · 13/03/2024 14:48

I voted Conservative for most of my voting life, joined the YCs at Uni even but now I loathe what they have become and I cant ever imagine voting for them despite being what you would probably assume to be their key demographic.
I take great delight in the fact that Cameron trigger Brexit to try and protect himself and his party and it has ultimately destroyed them - its the only silver lining to the shit show of a cloud that is Brexit
I feel a lot of things for The Tories but sorry isn't one of them

This says it all really.

I don't know if the OP is genuine or not, but either way there are so many people saying similar things to you.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 13/03/2024 14:55

I hope it gets worse and they implode and become unelectable for ever. They are just a load of corrupt self serving shits.

I see Sunak has had to see Brady and the 22 Commitee. I hope this is the start of a bigger downfall.

Bring in the GE. They’re shit

bakewellbride · 13/03/2024 14:56

They're fucking my paramedic dh over and making our family life difficult so I have zero sympathy for them! They also go against everything I stand for. If they're so sad they can spend some of the £3k they taxed my dh in ONE MONTH to buy themselves something to feel better 🙄

MrsKeats · 13/03/2024 14:56

Is this a joke?
They have wrecked this country over the last thirteen years.

clarepetal · 13/03/2024 14:57

LakieLady · 13/03/2024 13:48

Far from being sorry for them, I'm fucking delighted and the GE can't come soon enough for me.

The only thing I'm sorry about is the billions it's going to cost to fix the NHS, school buildings, housing crisis etc. The next government is going to have a massive task on its hands, possibly the biggest since rebuilding the country after the war.

This. They are nasty bastards.

You are unreasonable.

Bushmillsbabe · 13/03/2024 14:57

whatkatydid2014 · 13/03/2024 13:55

I feel sorry for voters.

Those that are broadly aligned to traditional conservative values around low tax/low state involvement are not well represented by the current party.

Ditto those broadly aligned to higher state intervention/tax with current Labour Party

Certainly don’t feel sorry for Conservative leadership though as really think they’ve dug themselves plenty of holes above and beyond the issues that aren’t their fault.

I'm 100% with you, its a bit rubbish for voters right now. It feels, a bit like the US, we are stuck between dumb and dumber, racist or also racist, corrupt or more corrupt, snob or hypocritical pretending to not be a snob, snob, wreck the nhs through private contracts or wreck through PFI's

How on earth, in a country with this many intelligent people, can we not produce just 1 decent candidate for prime minister. Just 1. Is that too much to ask?

Newgirls · 13/03/2024 14:58

I don’t vote Tory but in the past I did at least have respect for some Tory MPs. But this lot are corrupt and self-serving and have run the country into the ground. Compare the uk to pretty much any country in the EU and we are the poor relations. Can’t wait for them to go

hairbearbunches · 13/03/2024 14:59

The Conservative Party are a British institution.

They're a British institution dedicated to preserving the privileges of the aristocratic and royal classes in this country.

There's two kinds of people who vote Tory. Very rich people (see above) and very stupid people. Check your wallet to see which category you fall into.

Seriously, anyone who has voted Tory and lives an ordinary life needs to have a word with themselves. The one thing Dominic Cummings was right about is the contempt in which the Tories hold ordinary people. Voting for them doesn't elevate one from the next door neighbours, what, what, what. Voting for them is like taking a gun to both your feet, then your kneecaps, and finally your head!