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To think perhaps he deserved getting punched??

265 replies

Blouseybiggal · 13/03/2024 11:33

Tricky one as far as I’m concerned - violence bad but this guy was being a homophobic dick so…

Friend’s brother is a bit of an arsehole, winds people up, thinks he’s funny. I have as little to do with him as possible as he’s a right wing type who always thinks he’s right and could start an argument in an empty room.

So, Jeff is in a bar with his girlfriend. A gay couple - one ‘girlie’ one more masc looking ( apparently) - stand near them at the bar ordering drinks, minding their own biz.

Jeff, loud enough for half the bar to hear, says ‘ I don’t get it. If you’re going to go for someone who looks like a man, why not just go out with a man’ at the couple.

The ‘girlie’ woman says ‘what did you say?’ To him, he repeats it, and she punches him in the face. He falls over, his girlfriend is outraged, the gay couple leave.

For what it’s worth, I’m genuinely surprised he doesn’t get thumped more often.

YANBU - he deserved that! Homophobic prick.

YABU - he’s entitled to his opinion, violence is never the answer.

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FasterthanaButteredOtter · 15/03/2024 09:53

WalkingThroughTreacle · 13/03/2024 11:40

Well I can never in good conscience condone violence but if I were to condone violence I would wholeheartedly condone that example.

He is entitled to his opinion. He is not entitled to attack people with hate speech. Legally, the punch was not justified but morally he got what he deserved.

Exactly!! Grin

Blouseybiggal · 15/03/2024 10:01

I have had a lot of homophobia over the years, never hit anyone and the only time I have physically retaliated was when a man, a much larger man shoved me so hard I staggered back several feet. I saw red and threw my pint in his face. It was at a gig and he prefaced the shove with ‘fucking dykes.

In hindsight I was lucky he didn’t deck me because he was very drunk but he hesitated because I am very petite woman I think and that was enough time for several bystanders to intervene and shove him off into the crowd.
Inhave to say it was very satisfying…

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MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 15/03/2024 11:42

pinkyredrose · 14/03/2024 18:50

When was the last time you heard of a woman killing a man with one punch?

Er, last year

SammyScrounge · 15/03/2024 12:07

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 07:24

Another reframing of homophobic harassment as someone just saying something you don’t like.

I heard of a drunk gay man who, when a beautiful woman passed by, held his nose and said, 'I smell stinking fish.'
What do you think her boyfriend did? Was he justified? Did he have it coming?

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 12:08

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 09:19

I'm clearly doing the opposite of minimising. It's what some others on here are doing and it's disgusting.

What is disgusting is equating an aggressive homophobic man being punched once in a pub, to the absolute living hell that is living with dv.

Did the woman beat him again and again, for years? Did she hurt and threaten his children? Does she live in his house and make his home unsafe? Rape him? Threaten and harass his family? Try and take custody of his children? Make him live every day in fear of his life? Take his money? Gas light him and convince him and his family that he’s mad? Turn his children against him?

Anything that even approaches actual domestic abuse?

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 12:25

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 12:08

What is disgusting is equating an aggressive homophobic man being punched once in a pub, to the absolute living hell that is living with dv.

Did the woman beat him again and again, for years? Did she hurt and threaten his children? Does she live in his house and make his home unsafe? Rape him? Threaten and harass his family? Try and take custody of his children? Make him live every day in fear of his life? Take his money? Gas light him and convince him and his family that he’s mad? Turn his children against him?

Anything that even approaches actual domestic abuse?

Oh please I didn't not do that ffs, you are being deliberately obtuse.

I likened it to those men who minimise domestic abuse. Not the act itself so don't be ridiculous.

Unbelievable.

Starspangledrodeopony · 15/03/2024 12:33

EarringsandLipstick · 13/03/2024 21:41

That's an appalling thing to post. 😳

🤷‍♀️ homophobic things are appalling things to say.

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 18:49

SammyScrounge · 15/03/2024 12:07

I heard of a drunk gay man who, when a beautiful woman passed by, held his nose and said, 'I smell stinking fish.'
What do you think her boyfriend did? Was he justified? Did he have it coming?

I have no idea what happened, I wasn’t there.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the bloke punched him, blokes punch each other all the time.

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 19:01

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 12:25

Oh please I didn't not do that ffs, you are being deliberately obtuse.

I likened it to those men who minimise domestic abuse. Not the act itself so don't be ridiculous.

Unbelievable.

I said she shouldn’t have punched him, but having been on the receiving end of homophobic abuse, violence and harassment for decades, I can understand the urge.

This is not akin to domestic abusers claiming their abuse is ok-

a)I didn’t do the violence
b)it wasn’t domestic violence
c)I said she shouldn’t have done it

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 22:24

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 19:01

I said she shouldn’t have punched him, but having been on the receiving end of homophobic abuse, violence and harassment for decades, I can understand the urge.

This is not akin to domestic abusers claiming their abuse is ok-

a)I didn’t do the violence
b)it wasn’t domestic violence
c)I said she shouldn’t have done it

Just double down...

You accused me of saying something that I did not say. You can try to twist it to distract from the fact that you cocked up/misread but its in black and white.

I've little patience for people that don't own their mistakes so there's no point in.engaging.

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 23:29

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 22:24

Just double down...

You accused me of saying something that I did not say. You can try to twist it to distract from the fact that you cocked up/misread but its in black and white.

I've little patience for people that don't own their mistakes so there's no point in.engaging.

I'm appalled at the minimising of violence in some of these replies. There is absolutely no justification. She's worse than him in my book.

I'm a dv survivor. There's a lot of men dismiss and minimise dv and claim they were provoked. It's utter bollocks

I haven’t made a mistake love- you drew a parallel between domestic violence perpetrators minimising their abuse, and people you think are minimising this incident.

There isn’t a parallel because there isn’t parity in the two situations.

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 23:53

yourenottgebossoofme · 15/03/2024 23:29

I'm appalled at the minimising of violence in some of these replies. There is absolutely no justification. She's worse than him in my book.

I'm a dv survivor. There's a lot of men dismiss and minimise dv and claim they were provoked. It's utter bollocks

I haven’t made a mistake love- you drew a parallel between domestic violence perpetrators minimising their abuse, and people you think are minimising this incident.

There isn’t a parallel because there isn’t parity in the two situations.

You've just proven my point as you've changed your argument from earlier. Before you said I compared the two when I compared the minimising not the act itself. Thank you.

I appreciate your admission.but perhaps in future stop digging when you are in a hole as readers aren't stupid. I must admit disappointment though that you would try pursue a dv survivor in this manner. I think that speaks volumes.and reflects badly on you.

Feel free to have the last word as I think it's been derailed enough.

yourenottgebossoofme · 16/03/2024 07:41

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/03/2024 23:53

You've just proven my point as you've changed your argument from earlier. Before you said I compared the two when I compared the minimising not the act itself. Thank you.

I appreciate your admission.but perhaps in future stop digging when you are in a hole as readers aren't stupid. I must admit disappointment though that you would try pursue a dv survivor in this manner. I think that speaks volumes.and reflects badly on you.

Feel free to have the last word as I think it's been derailed enough.

Edited

You clearly don’t understand- to compare the supposed minimising is to draw parity and compare the two things- otherwise what is the connection that makes it relevant to compare minimising them?!

Otherwise your point is “people minimise random, unrelated behaviour”… which while true is completely irrelevant.

Rainynight09 · 16/03/2024 09:26

yourenottgebossoofme · 14/03/2024 08:12

Yep- the homophobia I’ve experienced ranges from assault to harassment to illegal discrimination. Funnily enough no bystander has ever pointed that out to me, but I’m sure plenty would have called the police if I’d given the picks the leathering they deserved (and I certainly could have before I became disabled).

Sure, and you would have seen the inside of a prison cell. In that case, they would have won. Violence is not how things are solved.

As for the OP, no that is certainly not that. What she did was very dangerous and stupid. Women have killed men with a single punch.

Edit: OP, you have cheek to call me naive, yet you did not know that any woman had killed a man with a single punch?

Blouseybiggal · 17/03/2024 12:47

‘Women have killed men with a single punch.🤔’

okay, but this one gave someone a bloody nose. No other side affects. He used to play rugby, so I’m sure he’s had worse!
Maybe that’s why he’s such a little bollox, all those knocks on the head as a teenager!

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