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Why is being successful frowned upon by most on Mumsnet

316 replies

Teenangels · 10/03/2024 10:03

I have been/seen on some threads that people, are negative towards those that have become successful, children go to private school means the kids are entitled.

Why can't we celebrate that some people get lucky with an idea, take risks, work incredibly hard and pay their fair share on taxes.

I have seen people demand that the OP gives their profits to charity without even knowing what the OP gives to charity.

We need to celebrate all in society.

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InterIgnis · 10/03/2024 11:25

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/03/2024 11:21

But it depends on the wording of the initial thread really. If there is clear insight but they acknowledge that and seek advice fair enough. If they are completely tone deaf then they may deserve to get their arse handed to them.

Edited

Not really. They don’t need to acknowledge the unrelated and thus irrelevant situations of others in some weird act of appeasement. Not everything has to be about you and/or what you consider important.

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/03/2024 11:26

InterIgnis · 10/03/2024 11:25

Not really. They don’t need to acknowledge the unrelated and thus irrelevant situations of others in some weird act of appeasement. Not everything has to be about you and/or what you consider important.

The irony lol.

MotherofGorgons · 10/03/2024 11:26

We need to be super supportive of women who earn a lot, given all the posts about abuse, physical or mental. Often comments on here are like " I preferred to spend time with my DC" or " You must be lying because I don't know anyone who earns over £50 k".

Someone needs to be paying those taxes also if £10 m are going to be paying nothing.

Sparklesocks · 10/03/2024 11:26

easylikeasundaymorn · 10/03/2024 10:49

100% agree with your second example. Even when they don't say so explicitly and it's more of a 'we earn xxx but we work hard for that,' (with the implication that social workers and carers on a tenth of that wage just sit around chilling all day.)

Same as all the 'how much do you earn' threads where people genuinely say they could not live on less than (large amount) a year, when what of course they mean is they could not lead their current lifestyle on less than that. It does come across as out of touch and unfeeling.

But with the first example - MN is a huge site with hundreds of thousands (more?) users - people who are better off, and asking about things like private school fees/stables/nannies are presumably hoping from input from others in the same position, of which there will, due to the size of the site, be many. Unless MN sets up a 'income of over £100,000' only board, there's no way of targeting a post just at others with the same income as you that won't be offended or upset. What I don't understand is why (and this applies to many topics on mn not just money) people bother clicking, and then posting on a topic that isn't relevant to them. If I see a post complaining about the au pair not doing the cleaning or the cost of this year's school ski trip, I just think 'nice problem to have,' and click on something that's more relevant/interesting to me. I don't see the point of jumping on castigating the OP for their privilege etc.
There should be a big header at the top of every topic saying "BTW you don't HAVE to comment on every single post you read."

Of course, but it works both ways surely? As you say MN posters are not a monolith, and are all from different backgrounds/incomes etc, so if you start a thread hoping for sympathy about your rising stable costs/school fees/nanny fees - you will get a range of responses and some of those will be users who can’t relate.

And sometimes maybe views from others might put things in perspective. You could argue ‘don’t reply if it’s not relevant to you’ and absolutely I agree, I’ve seen people who outright say they’ve never breastfed replying earnestly with breastfeeding advice on threads 😄 But equally if you post a very specific issue/lifestyle problem on a very generalised board like AIBU (which is literally a board for asking people if you’re in the right about something) - you have to expect all sorts of responses.

MobileStationery · 10/03/2024 11:26

midgetastic · 10/03/2024 11:22

So 10 million working age people are not working

Some because they have worked hard and been lucky and retired early so self funded

Some because they can't get a job that pays as much as the childcare would cost

Sone because they are illl, in pain, waiting for surgery , waiting for mental health support

And a small number who are happy to live off benefits

That 10 million figure is VERY misleading I think.
It includes students... And the sick.. and CARERS FFS.

It's a stupid figure that tells a different story than the actual facts of it.

Why is being successful frowned upon by most on Mumsnet
whistleblower99 · 10/03/2024 11:27

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/03/2024 11:25

So millions of retired, disabled and carers who may be unable to work don't exist?

Edited

Thus proving the point of the op and what I’ve said. These people are the majority on mn now. Literally spending all day going on threads which really aren’t relevant to them to make themselves angry. They are like volunteer forum police spending all day trying to pull down people different to them. Saying they shouldn’t be posting. The irony is strong.

Alcyoneus · 10/03/2024 11:28

It’s also the lack of imagination, that’s astounding. On the high earner threads, you get people sneering at high earning women saying it can’t possibly be true, they are making it up, they are fantasists.

It takes a special level of closed mindedness and low expectations to think that anyone saying they earn 6 figures must be lying.

Or when someone starts a thread saying they have 27p in savings and would like to invest, asking for advice. Oh, well, what audacity. How dare they come on here flaunting their wealth when some people cannot afford to eat.

Or if someone says they want to get a cleaner to free up some time. Well, how elitist and pretentious. Don’t they have any humility.

Such pathetic attitudes.

MotherofGorgons · 10/03/2024 11:28

It doesn't matter for what reasons they are not working. The effect on the economy is the same.

Itscatsallthewaydown · 10/03/2024 11:28

Teenangels · 10/03/2024 11:06

😂

Honestly

🤷‍♀️If the cap fits I suppose.

We’re either a hotbed of snarling revolutionaries surrounding the guillotine, or we’re not particularly keen on smugness, entitlement, or demanding respect because someone’s made a few bob. My money is on the latter.

InterIgnis · 10/03/2024 11:29

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/03/2024 11:26

The irony lol.

In a thread about the subject?

Itscatsallthewaydown · 10/03/2024 11:29

whistleblower99 · 10/03/2024 11:27

Thus proving the point of the op and what I’ve said. These people are the majority on mn now. Literally spending all day going on threads which really aren’t relevant to them to make themselves angry. They are like volunteer forum police spending all day trying to pull down people different to them. Saying they shouldn’t be posting. The irony is strong.

See under the dictionary definition of ‘hyperbole’

midgetastic · 10/03/2024 11:30

Bragging and conspicuous consumption are not generally something the UK as a whole considers nice

I guess because it can lead naturally to jealously and envy and other emotions that don't make a coherent society

Because no one likes to feel that the other person considers themselves superior to you - that's something that should be driven by respect not demanded

ntmdino · 10/03/2024 11:31

MobileStationery · 10/03/2024 11:26

That 10 million figure is VERY misleading I think.
It includes students... And the sick.. and CARERS FFS.

It's a stupid figure that tells a different story than the actual facts of it.

Which brings up another point, that in a properly civilised society there would be no need for family to be full-time carers of the sick.

Teenangels · 10/03/2024 11:31

whistleblower99 · 10/03/2024 11:27

Thus proving the point of the op and what I’ve said. These people are the majority on mn now. Literally spending all day going on threads which really aren’t relevant to them to make themselves angry. They are like volunteer forum police spending all day trying to pull down people different to them. Saying they shouldn’t be posting. The irony is strong.

This poster just confirms everything.

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Teenangels · 10/03/2024 11:32

midgetastic · 10/03/2024 11:30

Bragging and conspicuous consumption are not generally something the UK as a whole considers nice

I guess because it can lead naturally to jealously and envy and other emotions that don't make a coherent society

Because no one likes to feel that the other person considers themselves superior to you - that's something that should be driven by respect not demanded

Where has anyone every said that they are superior to others?

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Itscatsallthewaydown · 10/03/2024 11:33

Teenangels · 10/03/2024 11:31

This poster just confirms everything.

They don’t though, do they? Just reinforces your own prejudices

Morph22010 · 10/03/2024 11:33

LittleBearPad · 10/03/2024 10:47

No but there are different measures of working hard.

In some cases that working hard will have been from childhood, at school, university, professional exams etc. That working hard gives people choices and those choices are usually lucrative.

But there are some people who could work really hard and just don’t have the brains to be able to do those things. I say that as someone who came from a one parent family, worked hard at school, went to uni and now has a professional career, part of it was hard work but I was also lucky enough to be born with the intellectual capacity to do those things

whistleblower99 · 10/03/2024 11:33

Itscatsallthewaydown · 10/03/2024 11:29

See under the dictionary definition of ‘hyperbole’

To be honest most people can’t even pronounce it correctly. Such is the appalling state of education nowadays. My post is how mn is now. As this thread is proving.

MotherofGorgons · 10/03/2024 11:33

I have noticed that these days on social media- not necessarily on MN- you are supposed to acknowledge your privilege and come all over Uriah Heep before saying anything at all. I am not talking about bragging about holidays or designer gear. That's awful in any climate. But even the smallest achievement seems to require an apology before it and a fawning #blessed#gratitude

Itscatsallthewaydown · 10/03/2024 11:33

whistleblower99 · 10/03/2024 11:33

To be honest most people can’t even pronounce it correctly. Such is the appalling state of education nowadays. My post is how mn is now. As this thread is proving.

Snobbery and entitlement

LittleBearPad · 10/03/2024 11:33

Waitingfordoggo · 10/03/2024 11:07

A lot of that is a measure of academic intelligence rather than hard work though, surely? Not everyone is going to be able to pass A Levels, get a degree/Masters or sit exams, no matter how hard they try or how many hours they put into it. Not everyone has the type of intelligence that will enable them to write A grade essays.

So yes, working hard at school and university is one type of ‘hard work’ (I didn’t work hard at all but passed all my exams and got a 2:1 anyway) and the type of ‘hard work’ that involves getting up early every day and working long days/working two jobs in roles such as cleaning or care work.

The working hard at school is usually followed by working hard in a career. Those earning well may well be working longer hours than the cleaners and carers you cite.

Alcyoneus · 10/03/2024 11:33

This country is now so dominated by a dependency culture that resenting high earners is akin to biting the hand that feeds you. Live off other people’s money but then hate them for earning more than you.

Teenangels · 10/03/2024 11:34

ntmdino · 10/03/2024 11:31

Which brings up another point, that in a properly civilised society there would be no need for family to be full-time carers of the sick.

What about those that want to?

How are we going to pay for all the taxes, shall we have a Scandi style tax system, should everyone earn the same?

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whistleblower99 · 10/03/2024 11:35

Itscatsallthewaydown · 10/03/2024 11:33

Snobbery and entitlement

Keep going. Maybe change cats with crabs? Crabs in a bucket 🦀

Teenangels · 10/03/2024 11:36

LittleBearPad · 10/03/2024 11:33

The working hard at school is usually followed by working hard in a career. Those earning well may well be working longer hours than the cleaners and carers you cite.

I know that some people would never work a 90 hour week, and are resentful to those that do.

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