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Why is being successful frowned upon by most on Mumsnet

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Teenangels · 10/03/2024 10:03

I have been/seen on some threads that people, are negative towards those that have become successful, children go to private school means the kids are entitled.

Why can't we celebrate that some people get lucky with an idea, take risks, work incredibly hard and pay their fair share on taxes.

I have seen people demand that the OP gives their profits to charity without even knowing what the OP gives to charity.

We need to celebrate all in society.

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ecoeva · 12/03/2024 18:56

This is all very airy fairy because nobody knows what anyone else is talking about.

Teenangels · 12/03/2024 19:21

ecoeva · 12/03/2024 18:56

This is all very airy fairy because nobody knows what anyone else is talking about.

What would you like to know?

I have said on the thread how we started.

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Fizbosshoes · 12/03/2024 22:24

Teenangels · 12/03/2024 17:14

You have said this…..

Why do you not think that people that have become wealthy have not worked hard…

Everyone I know in our “circle” have worked extremely hard.

I don't think anyone has said wealthy or successful people don't work hard?
(But that lots of people in lower paid jobs also work really hard as @Waitingforsomethinginteresting has pointed out)

Often (BUT NOT ALWAYS) success or high paying jobs result from a combination of things (Luck, intelligence or talent, privilege, opportunity at the right time etc as well as hard work)

Do successful people work very hard to achieve their position? Yes
Is there often an element of luck or advantage as well as hard work? Also yes.
Both can be true

Betecbetty · 13/03/2024 02:12

If you were not brought into generational wealth and your kids go private school amazing for you, instant amazing parents.

People want to overpopulate the damaged planet the the government paying for their mistakes. Cancers of the earth I would never have several children when I cant afford them

Teenangels · 13/03/2024 05:41

Fizbosshoes · 12/03/2024 22:24

I don't think anyone has said wealthy or successful people don't work hard?
(But that lots of people in lower paid jobs also work really hard as @Waitingforsomethinginteresting has pointed out)

Often (BUT NOT ALWAYS) success or high paying jobs result from a combination of things (Luck, intelligence or talent, privilege, opportunity at the right time etc as well as hard work)

Do successful people work very hard to achieve their position? Yes
Is there often an element of luck or advantage as well as hard work? Also yes.
Both can be true

People have said that wealthy people have not worked hard, that it was privilege etc.
I also note your use of language saying that those that are not as wealthy work really hard. Implying that they have worked harder.
Society has become inherently sneering at people they see as successful or above their station.

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hattie43 · 13/03/2024 05:47

Jealous

Fizbosshoes · 13/03/2024 06:57

Teenangels · 13/03/2024 05:41

People have said that wealthy people have not worked hard, that it was privilege etc.
I also note your use of language saying that those that are not as wealthy work really hard. Implying that they have worked harder.
Society has become inherently sneering at people they see as successful or above their station.

I thought very and really were inter-changeable? I haven't suggested either contingent worked harder than the other

Pickled21 · 13/03/2024 09:34

I think it's largely because the demographic of mumsnet has changed over the years. All people have problems and mumsnet should be a safe place to discuss them. I can't afford private school for my kids but that doesn't mean if someone else's child is having an issue at theirs that I need to have a go at them because they are 'rich' or 'entitled'. If a post or problem is so far from my reality that I don't think I have anything constructive to add then I don't join the post, rather than be the 100th poster to comment how out of touch the op is and have a pile on.

Teenangels · 13/03/2024 13:30

Pickled21 · 13/03/2024 09:34

I think it's largely because the demographic of mumsnet has changed over the years. All people have problems and mumsnet should be a safe place to discuss them. I can't afford private school for my kids but that doesn't mean if someone else's child is having an issue at theirs that I need to have a go at them because they are 'rich' or 'entitled'. If a post or problem is so far from my reality that I don't think I have anything constructive to add then I don't join the post, rather than be the 100th poster to comment how out of touch the op is and have a pile on.

The demographic has changed and the level of support for other posters is now clearly just to bring others down.

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citrinetrilogy · 13/03/2024 13:59

I have nothing against successful people.

Unless of course, they are Smuggy McSmugface types who think others are beneath them.

Missamyp · 13/03/2024 14:31

Screamingabdabz · 11/03/2024 21:09

It’s the “worked hard” bollocks that really triggers me.

I heard a long term unemployed (UMC) Financier on radio 4 the other day say he was so keen to work he’d ’even taken a job with the Royal Mail as a postman for 3 months’. He said it was the hardest he’d worked for the least money.

Working hard is just a way of life for the working classes. Why do the ‘successful’ always trot it out like a mantra?

You’re successful because you’re either privileged, connected, lucky or in very few cases extremely talented. But it’s usually privilege.

Lemon cake with one's tea.
DP and I are both 6 figure earners. I started at the bottom in admin now I'm VSM. He started YTS because in his words cba with uni. Both ended up academically highly qualified later.
Both families are working class.
Intelligence-conscientiousness-application-drive-seizing/making opportunities' are what makes a person rise up through the ranks. Also not coveting/jealous but admiring and enquiring.
The definition of work hard or hard work is often misapplied.

ohthejoys21 · 13/03/2024 14:31

I feel it on MN especially. When saying in context that your dh is a high earner, having to explain that no you won't be left penniless if you divorce as half of everything is in your name. One can almost feel the disappointment. No one complaining about using the taxes generated from these earners.

Teenangels · 13/03/2024 15:50

ohthejoys21 · 13/03/2024 14:31

I feel it on MN especially. When saying in context that your dh is a high earner, having to explain that no you won't be left penniless if you divorce as half of everything is in your name. One can almost feel the disappointment. No one complaining about using the taxes generated from these earners.

Penniless and WHAT will you do forgetting that the woman usually has qualifications or you know get a job. Honestly its the double standards, no one would say that to a poster when her husband earns 40k and has chosen to stay at home.

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Teenangels · 13/03/2024 15:51

Missamyp · 13/03/2024 14:31

Lemon cake with one's tea.
DP and I are both 6 figure earners. I started at the bottom in admin now I'm VSM. He started YTS because in his words cba with uni. Both ended up academically highly qualified later.
Both families are working class.
Intelligence-conscientiousness-application-drive-seizing/making opportunities' are what makes a person rise up through the ranks. Also not coveting/jealous but admiring and enquiring.
The definition of work hard or hard work is often misapplied.

But you only got to where you are through privilege, don't you know!!

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Workworkandmoreworknow · 14/03/2024 08:36

No one complaining about using the taxes generated from these earners

You want...what? congratulations for paying taxes? Should people who earn more not contribute more? Or do believe the burden of taxation should fall on those who earn less? Do lower earners expect some kind of thanks for the contributions they make? Or do they have to read thread after thread telling them it's not good enough?

I feel quite sure you're happy to receive some of the services lower paid people staff - ever needed a fire engine? an ambulance? have you driven on actual roads or sent your children to a childminder or nursery? All those people earn less than £100k a year, do essential work and contribute through the paying of tax on their earnings. Yet you're still looking for validation that your hard work makes you better than them.

Teenangels · 14/03/2024 08:58

Workworkandmoreworknow · 14/03/2024 08:36

No one complaining about using the taxes generated from these earners

You want...what? congratulations for paying taxes? Should people who earn more not contribute more? Or do believe the burden of taxation should fall on those who earn less? Do lower earners expect some kind of thanks for the contributions they make? Or do they have to read thread after thread telling them it's not good enough?

I feel quite sure you're happy to receive some of the services lower paid people staff - ever needed a fire engine? an ambulance? have you driven on actual roads or sent your children to a childminder or nursery? All those people earn less than £100k a year, do essential work and contribute through the paying of tax on their earnings. Yet you're still looking for validation that your hard work makes you better than them.

That quote was from another poster.

Do you think we should go for the scandi tax system, I think that you would agree that is a good tax system.

I have never said that I do not value or that people that are lower earners.

Its the comments of jealousy and privilege that get me, that anyone that is a higher earner should just keep quiet that they can not have any issues in life.

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