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My DH has hidden his true income from me... but why?!

433 replies

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 14:25

Together 15 years, married 10 years, 2 kids. we are happy. Name changed but regular mnetter.

Short version:
DH salary is £42.5k.
His commission bumped his income up to £97k last year, but he has never mentioned this.
AIBU to think he should have mentioned this at some point?

Long version:
DH basic salary is currently £42.5k. his monthly income only just covers his share
of the bills, so he rarely has any more left to add to savings pots, pay off
the mortgage etc.

My salary is more than DH's. I am a good saver, so I set aside my savings first,
and then decide what to do with the left over. I might save some more, I might
spend.

We have separate finances (I know this divides opinions on here!) We get paid into our own bank accounts, and then transfer a set amount each month to a joint account. All bills are paid from the joint account. We are then left with our
own pots of money to do as we wish.

Generally this has worked well for both of us as I am a good saver, so despite the fact I earn more, I also will save for big ticket items and pay for those.... new
boiler, holiday, big days out, family meals, theatre tickets etc.

I feel confident that this has been an even split over the years. And for many
years, DH took home more than I did.

Today, the post has been delivered and there are several letters in there. As I went through them, there are 3 letters from the Inland Revenue. 2 letters are in small brown envelopes, nothing unusual.

One of the letters was bigger and had a large window where the name and address is. Through the window, I could instantly see the words, Income: £97,000

I can’t unsee this. I didn’t go looking for this. It’s actually shocking how it is so clear. I guess it’s the way the letter has been drafted and folded, and this info just happened to end up in the window and be so visible.

Now I don’t know what to do… only yesterday we were talking about job hunting and he was saying that he needs to earn more money as he doesn’t like feeling like he always owes me money for things (I just paid for a big holiday out of the savings).

He has potential to earn commission in his role, but at no point has he ever alluded to the fact he has doubled his basic income. All this time I am thinking he earns much less than me, and I have been paying for things out of the savings to make things fairer. His car needed a full service and work done recently and I even offered to pay for that. He didn’t take me up.

I can’t think what he has spent his money on. We have 2 nice cars – we pay for these monthly and I know how much this costs. Our children do lots of activities, but again this is all out of the joint account so I know how much these cost.

We hardly eat out. He doesn’t have a shopping habit, we don’t belong to expensive clubs. We both WFH mostly, and spend all weekends together.

If I can save money each month, then how has he ended up with not enough to even contribute to joint holidays, and say he needs a better paid job?!

I recognise we are financially comfortable, and I am not here for a debate on
WHAT we spend our money on. We both pay into pensions.

AIBU in thinking he should have told me his whole income, rather than let me think he only earns his basic salary. I feel a bit of a mug to be honest.

Or is it none of my business? He hasn’t actually lied… I’ve never asked him what he took home last year. But at the same time, I had no idea his earning potential was that high!

OP posts:
TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 15:32

Westfacing · 05/03/2024 15:30

I think this is a problem with separate finances in a long marriage - each side seems more mindful of preserving their financial privacy and personal savings pot, instead of both determined to say pay down the mortgage for the benefit of the family unit.

I agree.

Reading stuff like this makes me so glad that DH and I see ourselves as a team financially.

Calculuses · 05/03/2024 15:32

I'm not convinced any of this is true. HMRC don't send letters like that and no one thinks it's reasonable to split bills 50/50 when one partner is earning double.

But if it is true, finances are seperate and he pays his 50% the rest of his income is none of OP's business. You can't have it both ways.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 05/03/2024 15:33

wow !

supporting him for all these years / subsidising him !

where is his money going ? either in savings or is he a gambler and you don't know.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 15:37

Calculuses · 05/03/2024 15:32

I'm not convinced any of this is true. HMRC don't send letters like that and no one thinks it's reasonable to split bills 50/50 when one partner is earning double.

But if it is true, finances are seperate and he pays his 50% the rest of his income is none of OP's business. You can't have it both ways.

I agree. Here is a photo of one of my tax code notices. The format has been the same for years (my 2023-24 one is basically identical), and it doesn't say income anywhere on it.

The most that you be able to view from the window would be my name and NI Number, at a push.

My DH has hidden his true income from me... but why?!
Cazpar · 05/03/2024 15:37

HMRC may change your tax code and estimated income based on one month - it happens.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that they're extrapolating 12 months of income from one month's payslip and trying to change his tax code accordingly.

Please don't fly off the handle before you know what's actually going on.

anothermnuser123 · 05/03/2024 15:39

randombloke15 · 05/03/2024 15:21

Hmm interesting update OP
You earn £100k you thought your DP earned £42k but the bills and everything are 50:50
If anything you're mugging him off.

I was thinking the same thing. If you thought he was on £42.5k why on earth are you paying 50/50 when you earn £100k, this is why proportionate payments are always better.

But it sounds like you need a discussion. If he is lying then that is not good but its also not great that you thought you earnt over £50k more than him and were happy for him to subsidise your savings, yes you pay for big ticket items but I dont think personally that its reasonable to pay 50/50 with such a difference in incomes.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 05/03/2024 15:42

I've never seen income visible like that
IF it is genuine it's a data breech, and he's lied and taken advantage of you
I'd ask him to open the letter in front of you, and watch his facial expression.
Separate finances isn't an issue but you need transparency in marriage

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 15:45

Cazpar · 05/03/2024 15:37

HMRC may change your tax code and estimated income based on one month - it happens.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that they're extrapolating 12 months of income from one month's payslip and trying to change his tax code accordingly.

Please don't fly off the handle before you know what's actually going on.

They do do this, but they would be highly unlikely to get it this wrong in the last quarter of the tax year.

Massive jumps in projected income tend to happen when a bonus is paid in Q1 (e.g. April, May)

Most likely explanation is that this is not a letter from HMRC at all. The OP says it looks like a tax code notice, but it can't do (see picture above).

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 05/03/2024 15:48

Why on earth are you splitting bills 50/50 when you earn over double what he does?

summersolstice43 · 05/03/2024 15:49

Certainly sounds like it could be a mistake from HMRC, they have been known to make whoppers. Hopefully that's all it is and he's not been hiding things from you.

rwalker · 05/03/2024 15:49

I think it d just hand him the letter and tell him to complain to hmrc as his confidential income is visible to everyone

kirinm · 05/03/2024 15:53

I had a tax code letter recently and you absolutely can't see anything about income.

Cazpar · 05/03/2024 15:53

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 15:45

They do do this, but they would be highly unlikely to get it this wrong in the last quarter of the tax year.

Massive jumps in projected income tend to happen when a bonus is paid in Q1 (e.g. April, May)

Most likely explanation is that this is not a letter from HMRC at all. The OP says it looks like a tax code notice, but it can't do (see picture above).

I agree, it doesn't sound like it's from HMRC.

But I have known them to make some absolute howlers... I then get to spend my time sorting them out!

DanceToThisBeatForevermore · 05/03/2024 15:54

For me this would be an absolute marriage-ender. It may sound OTT but my trust would be totally shot. The dishonesty is unreal. The number of little lies and fake behaviour regarding money. Ugh.

MelonSmoothie · 05/03/2024 15:56

Does it literally just say income or have dates next to it?

fluffycatkins · 05/03/2024 15:59

I would would first double check what the actual situation is.
Then I would talk it out with him.
I would be very angry and hurt at this level of deceit if if is actually hiding half of his salary when you are raising dc together.
Why would he do this? What else would he be happy hiding?
Why is he okay treating you like this?

BIossomtoes · 05/03/2024 16:00

Bills & everything split 50/50

When you thought he was earning half the amount you are? It’s hardly a partnership that’s ever been based on financial fairness. Hopefully this, if it’s a genuine letter, will give you both the opportunity to review your finances.

Caffeineneedednow · 05/03/2024 16:03

I'm just here to see what happens

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 16:04

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 05/03/2024 15:48

Why on earth are you splitting bills 50/50 when you earn over double what he does?

To be fair, the OP isn't splitting all the bills 50/50. She paid for a new boiler, pays for holidays, meals out etc and offered to pay her husband's car bill. She said she thought things worked out fairly over time as for many years her husband was the higher earner.

Whether their financial set up is fair or not isn't the main issue here - it's whether they have financial transparency with each other or whether one of them has been deceitful in their behaviour.

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 16:05

For those of you asking why we split finances the way we do…
Until a few years ago our income was more or less the same. We had a good system for paying bills and spending money, and it worked fairly.

Since then I had a couple of quick promotions.
We jointly agreed we would keep the same arrangement, as it covered most join expenses, and I would save the extra cash to use to cover unexpected bills, holidays, and pay off a bit of the mortgage.

So 'my' savings are 100% family money and everyone benefits.

By his own admission, DH is not good at saving.

So it is completely fair. Or so I thought.

when I was on statutory maternity leave / pay I saved hard and used my savings to see me through both occasions. DH didn't top me up. It works both ways! It works for us.

And although I might be in the minority, I know I’m not alone doing this as there are plenty of posts and opinions about how to split finances.

OP posts:
shoppingshamed · 05/03/2024 16:06

Split your finances the way that works for you best, posters on here are inexplicably unable to understand doing money differently to the way they do it, I've never understood that

TheChosenTwo · 05/03/2024 16:08

I think there’s a high chance that the letter isn’t what you’re suspecting.
Dh nor I have never had a letter where our income was visible from the top window, it sounds unusual and a bit data breachy!

Britpop123 · 05/03/2024 16:10

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 15:09

I didn’t expect so many response!

I file a tax return myself as earn about £100k
No child benefit these days. Haven’t claimed it for years.
It’s definitely legitimate. Looks like a tax code change letter.
It’s not joint income.
He’s not on drugs.
He doesn’t have expensive hobbies
I suppose it could be gambling.

Bills & everything split 50/50

I hadn’t considered this worthy of LTB… I’m just pissed off to be honest. He’s clearly earned way more commission than I ever thought possible! If he is indeed mugging me off, then well, I’d like to know why.

I will speak to him. He’s not home at the moment. Probably at the bookie’s, or more hopefully, at the travel agent 🙏

Firstly, amazed atbthe number of people jumping to divorce based on something you’ve half seen through the envelope of a letter. This place is batshit.

second, it could be anything. I’ve had tax code changes that wildly overestimated my annual income, or were just wrong. You could have seen that, or an example, or something totally unrelated.

Britpop123 · 05/03/2024 16:11

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 15:09

I didn’t expect so many response!

I file a tax return myself as earn about £100k
No child benefit these days. Haven’t claimed it for years.
It’s definitely legitimate. Looks like a tax code change letter.
It’s not joint income.
He’s not on drugs.
He doesn’t have expensive hobbies
I suppose it could be gambling.

Bills & everything split 50/50

I hadn’t considered this worthy of LTB… I’m just pissed off to be honest. He’s clearly earned way more commission than I ever thought possible! If he is indeed mugging me off, then well, I’d like to know why.

I will speak to him. He’s not home at the moment. Probably at the bookie’s, or more hopefully, at the travel agent 🙏

Also
you earn 100k and you though he earnt 40 but you made him pay half the bills?

HappiestSleeping · 05/03/2024 16:14

That could be anything @PurpleTrees123 from a projected earning, to a one off, to an actual level of earning. Also, it seems like a lot of money, and it is, but don't forget tax, NI, pension etc will reduce this down to sub 30k. Still not a bad bit of wedge.

Is there a chance he has put it all in pension as opposed to actually having the cash?