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My DH has hidden his true income from me... but why?!

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PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 14:25

Together 15 years, married 10 years, 2 kids. we are happy. Name changed but regular mnetter.

Short version:
DH salary is £42.5k.
His commission bumped his income up to £97k last year, but he has never mentioned this.
AIBU to think he should have mentioned this at some point?

Long version:
DH basic salary is currently £42.5k. his monthly income only just covers his share
of the bills, so he rarely has any more left to add to savings pots, pay off
the mortgage etc.

My salary is more than DH's. I am a good saver, so I set aside my savings first,
and then decide what to do with the left over. I might save some more, I might
spend.

We have separate finances (I know this divides opinions on here!) We get paid into our own bank accounts, and then transfer a set amount each month to a joint account. All bills are paid from the joint account. We are then left with our
own pots of money to do as we wish.

Generally this has worked well for both of us as I am a good saver, so despite the fact I earn more, I also will save for big ticket items and pay for those.... new
boiler, holiday, big days out, family meals, theatre tickets etc.

I feel confident that this has been an even split over the years. And for many
years, DH took home more than I did.

Today, the post has been delivered and there are several letters in there. As I went through them, there are 3 letters from the Inland Revenue. 2 letters are in small brown envelopes, nothing unusual.

One of the letters was bigger and had a large window where the name and address is. Through the window, I could instantly see the words, Income: £97,000

I can’t unsee this. I didn’t go looking for this. It’s actually shocking how it is so clear. I guess it’s the way the letter has been drafted and folded, and this info just happened to end up in the window and be so visible.

Now I don’t know what to do… only yesterday we were talking about job hunting and he was saying that he needs to earn more money as he doesn’t like feeling like he always owes me money for things (I just paid for a big holiday out of the savings).

He has potential to earn commission in his role, but at no point has he ever alluded to the fact he has doubled his basic income. All this time I am thinking he earns much less than me, and I have been paying for things out of the savings to make things fairer. His car needed a full service and work done recently and I even offered to pay for that. He didn’t take me up.

I can’t think what he has spent his money on. We have 2 nice cars – we pay for these monthly and I know how much this costs. Our children do lots of activities, but again this is all out of the joint account so I know how much these cost.

We hardly eat out. He doesn’t have a shopping habit, we don’t belong to expensive clubs. We both WFH mostly, and spend all weekends together.

If I can save money each month, then how has he ended up with not enough to even contribute to joint holidays, and say he needs a better paid job?!

I recognise we are financially comfortable, and I am not here for a debate on
WHAT we spend our money on. We both pay into pensions.

AIBU in thinking he should have told me his whole income, rather than let me think he only earns his basic salary. I feel a bit of a mug to be honest.

Or is it none of my business? He hasn’t actually lied… I’ve never asked him what he took home last year. But at the same time, I had no idea his earning potential was that high!

OP posts:
Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 09/03/2024 01:14

PurpleTrees123 · 08/03/2024 23:27

I'm shocked at the number of posters suggesting opening someone else's post. First of all, it's illegal. Secondly, I would never do that. If anyone opened my post I'd be livid (and the most exciting post I get is the odd Tesco club card voucher).

You are going out of your way to excuse dishonest behaviour. I would be more upset about my husband lying by omission about £25k. you have new goals because he was rumbled, not because you are on the same page. Let that sink in for a minute.

NikNak321 · 09/03/2024 01:55

I'm not sure why you find it shocking people have suggested opening his post. I open all my husbands post all of the time except for birthday cards. I'd be happy for him to open mine, but doubt he'd bother. But we completely share everything including money. If you hadn't seen this figure you never would have known.....for how many years or never? I am going to be honest I find it strange to be in a committed relationship, but have that level of privacy from one another. Also only £25k?? You earn that take home full time as an NHS nurse to put it in perspective, so I would still view it as a big deception 😥😥

MazzaMooza · 09/03/2024 06:33

Are you sure it wasn’t a scam letter, a I’ve never known HMRC to send letters with the income showing, and to be visible is a huge no no

fashionqueen1183 · 09/03/2024 07:27

It’s not illegal to open someone’s post if they let you.
I can’t believe he just spent £25k on stuff without mentioning it and you don’t mind. That’s a huge amount of money. I’m pleased for you it’s not gambling or anything though.
Why don’t you have access to see how much money each of you have?
Do you have power of attorney set up? Incase one of you had something awful happen. It’s important if you don’t have joint accounts.

Mmmm19 · 09/03/2024 07:28

PurpleTrees123 · 08/03/2024 23:27

I'm shocked at the number of posters suggesting opening someone else's post. First of all, it's illegal. Secondly, I would never do that. If anyone opened my post I'd be livid (and the most exciting post I get is the odd Tesco club card voucher).

We open each others post sometime- but it’s no big deal as there wouldn’t be anything in it exciting, just household admin. Bill type things not hand written birthday cards!

Phoenixfire1988 · 09/03/2024 11:02

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 18:40

Letter is open.... it is legitimate.

It's from HMRC
It's about an overpayment of tax for the year 22/23.
It states his income for the year and his adjusted tax code for the year.

There's about 4 pages and some leaflets about over /underpaying tax

The 2nd letter was a new tax code for 23/24

The final letter was a cheque for the overpaid amount (£200).

All legit.

I'm doing kids bedtime, but I'll try and get an non identifying photo for those who want evidence... what would you like and I'll do my best to deliver!

And no I did not open the letter myself. I've never done that and never would. I honestly saw the amount though the envelope window.

DH and I had a chat. It was from 22/23. He got a big lump of commission in one go and used it to pay of some small debts, then kept the rest to live off during his lower paid months and top up his income.

I'm not overly happy he let me think he earned about £42.5k plus commission (so I assumed about £60k). but hey ho. We will probably re-think they way we do finances so it's more transparent. Something to think about.

No second family
No expensive secret holidays
No gambling
No drugs.

So he got an extra 50 odd thousand and just never mentioned it but paid off some 'small' debts how many years has this been happening I wonder while you pay for all the holidays and home improvements

Phoenixfire1988 · 09/03/2024 11:04

fashionqueen1183 · 09/03/2024 07:27

It’s not illegal to open someone’s post if they let you.
I can’t believe he just spent £25k on stuff without mentioning it and you don’t mind. That’s a huge amount of money. I’m pleased for you it’s not gambling or anything though.
Why don’t you have access to see how much money each of you have?
Do you have power of attorney set up? Incase one of you had something awful happen. It’s important if you don’t have joint accounts.

50+k he normally only earns 42k and earned 97k that year unless I've miss read somewhere

Presseddaisy · 09/03/2024 11:18

Could he be hiding the rest of the money away prepairing to leave?

6pence · 09/03/2024 11:21

What did he say about hiding it from you? Or did he open up the conversation?

Blondebrunette1 · 09/03/2024 11:50

PurpleTrees123 · 08/03/2024 23:10

Thanks for all the balanced responses. I’ve certainly enjoyed reading the whole range!

I’m fine (thank you @Blondebrunette1 & others).
We spoke about it. It's about £25k take home. There’s a reasonable explanation for some of it (pension, credit cards, boys golf trip etc). He saved some. The rest… he doesn’t think he spends frivolously, but he clearly does. We’ve got a plan moving forward and have some new family savings goals.

I still don’t want to pool our finances.

I think initially I was just shocked at his actual income for the year, which was vastly more than I’d thought. It really doesn’t change what we have or how we spend, but we will jointly save more. And he will track his daily spends. We both are fortunate to have plenty of spare money to spend and save.

@PurpleTrees123 glad you're ok. You sound satisfied with his explanation of what he's done with it and ok with whatever his reason for concealing it was. It sounds like a huge deception written down to a lot of people, but perhaps because you are financially comfortable and it's not affected you in that way, it makes a difference to how you feel about it? He's your DH and I think you'd know if there was something more sinister going on.

PurpleTrees123 · 09/03/2024 12:00

Presseddaisy · 09/03/2024 11:18

Could he be hiding the rest of the money away prepairing to leave?

Maybe.... but don't we all?!

OP posts:
PurpleTrees123 · 09/03/2024 12:01

I don't mean I'm Preparing to leave him, or vice-Versa. I mean I wouldn't blame anyone if they had a small private stash of money if they wanted to.

OP posts:
fashionqueen1183 · 09/03/2024 12:02

PurpleTrees123 · 09/03/2024 12:00

Maybe.... but don't we all?!

er no? 🤣

fashionqueen1183 · 09/03/2024 12:03

Phoenixfire1988 · 09/03/2024 11:04

50+k he normally only earns 42k and earned 97k that year unless I've miss read somewhere

Yup, I think that’s right but the OP only found out via this letter.
I can’t imagine not knowing how much money we had together as a married couple.

BobbyBiscuits · 09/03/2024 12:17

If someone was spending an extra £25k in a year with nothing to show for it I would think they were a massive dick. But, at least you know now and you are 'happy' with his explanation.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 09/03/2024 15:01

So he doubled his salary and has fuck all to show for it? And you are paying for everything as he has no money? I’d be fucking furious and certainly wouldn’t be paying for him to go on holiday again. How many times has this happened but you are unaware of? And how many debts has he built up and on what? I’d want complete transparency moving forwards; you’re a team or you’re done. All money into the house is family money and you will decide as a family how it is spent. And that will not include spunking £25k a year up the wall on fuck all. Many families have less than that to live on.

MrsKeats · 09/03/2024 20:13

So he hid an extra 2k a month?
That's terrible.

Cocolebombom · 09/03/2024 21:54

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 17:48

I call it ‘my savings’ as Savings are all in my name. DH would spend it if he had open access to it. Said savings are only ever spent on family items so actually ‘our savings’.

When we booked a holiday (last year) , it was assumed I would use the savings.

DH recently said he feels bad that he owes me money for the holiday. I told him I didn't see it like that and not to worry about it. Because at the time, I thought he wasn't earning enough to pay it.

I've been the higher earner for 2 years. . Before that we were equal, or he earned more than me. We still split things 50/50 in all situations.

I like having my independence. So does he.

I don't see his money as my money - I thought he earned £42k a year. He doesn’t, he earns £97k.

I'd be delighted if he had anything to show for it!

Alas, he hasn't. As far as I know anyway. Whereas I have a big savings pot, with loads of cash that I like to spend on my DH and DC. Poor things!

Don't be too hard on him until you know for certain what's going on. He could be investing it or saving it up as a surprise. Maybe it's high risk investments that he's hoping will pay off thinking "what she doesn't know about she won't be sad about, however if I could triple this money and surprise her with early retirement how amazing would that be?". You've trusted him in the past trust him until proven otherwise.

Codlingmoths · 09/03/2024 21:55

PurpleTrees123 · 08/03/2024 23:27

I'm shocked at the number of posters suggesting opening someone else's post. First of all, it's illegal. Secondly, I would never do that. If anyone opened my post I'd be livid (and the most exciting post I get is the odd Tesco club card voucher).

I don’t really understand this in a marriage. If I didn’t open my husbands post I’d have to nag him to and that would piss me off. As it is it annoys me having to open it, I’m not doing it to be nosy!

Cocolebombom · 09/03/2024 21:58

PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 18:40

Letter is open.... it is legitimate.

It's from HMRC
It's about an overpayment of tax for the year 22/23.
It states his income for the year and his adjusted tax code for the year.

There's about 4 pages and some leaflets about over /underpaying tax

The 2nd letter was a new tax code for 23/24

The final letter was a cheque for the overpaid amount (£200).

All legit.

I'm doing kids bedtime, but I'll try and get an non identifying photo for those who want evidence... what would you like and I'll do my best to deliver!

And no I did not open the letter myself. I've never done that and never would. I honestly saw the amount though the envelope window.

DH and I had a chat. It was from 22/23. He got a big lump of commission in one go and used it to pay of some small debts, then kept the rest to live off during his lower paid months and top up his income.

I'm not overly happy he let me think he earned about £42.5k plus commission (so I assumed about £60k). but hey ho. We will probably re-think they way we do finances so it's more transparent. Something to think about.

No second family
No expensive secret holidays
No gambling
No drugs.

Small debts- family debts is it? What's the matter with men not being open about stuff. Stupid but he sounds a predictable man. I would keep you independence but have him pay all his salary into pot before you then reallocate his funds. Woman are more sensible with money so should always have the purse strings.

shoppingshamed · 09/03/2024 21:58

Codlingmoths · 09/03/2024 21:55

I don’t really understand this in a marriage. If I didn’t open my husbands post I’d have to nag him to and that would piss me off. As it is it annoys me having to open it, I’m not doing it to be nosy!

Surely most women are married to grown men who know how to open letters, why would I need to infantilse a partner?

FlipFlop1987 · 09/03/2024 23:20

You seem to have gone from furious to chilled about it now you know it’s £25k take home pay and he paid off a few debts. Did you know he had debts? Where did they come from? If you did, why would he be gathering interest on a debt if you have a huge savings pot? You would surely advise they get paid off asap. Therefore I assume you didn’t know, which is a red flag. Hidden debts are a slippery slope.

For me £25k is still a massive sum of money to hide from a partner, if he’s shit with money and knows it and you clearly are far better, why wasn’t his first thought “I best get DW’s advice on what we as a family should do with this as money management is not my thing but it is hers”

Lorralorr · 10/03/2024 14:50

Why are you calling HMRC inland revenue? Are you making this all up …

Tiswa · 10/03/2024 15:26

Lorralorr · 10/03/2024 14:50

Why are you calling HMRC inland revenue? Are you making this all up …

Tbf she reference HMRC as well but probably an age thing - the name was changed in 2005 and many still call it the inland revenue!

shoppingshamed · 10/03/2024 15:44

Lorralorr · 10/03/2024 14:50

Why are you calling HMRC inland revenue? Are you making this all up …

I often say inland revenue as a.giod freind worked there for years and that's what I remember, why would that make you doubt a story?

People will be calling X twitter for decades I'm sure, doesn't mean theyll be making stuff up