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My DH has hidden his true income from me... but why?!

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PurpleTrees123 · 05/03/2024 14:25

Together 15 years, married 10 years, 2 kids. we are happy. Name changed but regular mnetter.

Short version:
DH salary is £42.5k.
His commission bumped his income up to £97k last year, but he has never mentioned this.
AIBU to think he should have mentioned this at some point?

Long version:
DH basic salary is currently £42.5k. his monthly income only just covers his share
of the bills, so he rarely has any more left to add to savings pots, pay off
the mortgage etc.

My salary is more than DH's. I am a good saver, so I set aside my savings first,
and then decide what to do with the left over. I might save some more, I might
spend.

We have separate finances (I know this divides opinions on here!) We get paid into our own bank accounts, and then transfer a set amount each month to a joint account. All bills are paid from the joint account. We are then left with our
own pots of money to do as we wish.

Generally this has worked well for both of us as I am a good saver, so despite the fact I earn more, I also will save for big ticket items and pay for those.... new
boiler, holiday, big days out, family meals, theatre tickets etc.

I feel confident that this has been an even split over the years. And for many
years, DH took home more than I did.

Today, the post has been delivered and there are several letters in there. As I went through them, there are 3 letters from the Inland Revenue. 2 letters are in small brown envelopes, nothing unusual.

One of the letters was bigger and had a large window where the name and address is. Through the window, I could instantly see the words, Income: £97,000

I can’t unsee this. I didn’t go looking for this. It’s actually shocking how it is so clear. I guess it’s the way the letter has been drafted and folded, and this info just happened to end up in the window and be so visible.

Now I don’t know what to do… only yesterday we were talking about job hunting and he was saying that he needs to earn more money as he doesn’t like feeling like he always owes me money for things (I just paid for a big holiday out of the savings).

He has potential to earn commission in his role, but at no point has he ever alluded to the fact he has doubled his basic income. All this time I am thinking he earns much less than me, and I have been paying for things out of the savings to make things fairer. His car needed a full service and work done recently and I even offered to pay for that. He didn’t take me up.

I can’t think what he has spent his money on. We have 2 nice cars – we pay for these monthly and I know how much this costs. Our children do lots of activities, but again this is all out of the joint account so I know how much these cost.

We hardly eat out. He doesn’t have a shopping habit, we don’t belong to expensive clubs. We both WFH mostly, and spend all weekends together.

If I can save money each month, then how has he ended up with not enough to even contribute to joint holidays, and say he needs a better paid job?!

I recognise we are financially comfortable, and I am not here for a debate on
WHAT we spend our money on. We both pay into pensions.

AIBU in thinking he should have told me his whole income, rather than let me think he only earns his basic salary. I feel a bit of a mug to be honest.

Or is it none of my business? He hasn’t actually lied… I’ve never asked him what he took home last year. But at the same time, I had no idea his earning potential was that high!

OP posts:
MyLemonBee · 05/03/2024 14:39

could some of the extra be things like share options, pension contributions… they all get called out as part of my ‘total’ package meaning payslips show higher than i take home

gamerchick · 05/03/2024 14:39

Just ask him. Tell him you've seen this figure and would like to know what it is. You havent opened his letters or anything.

How he reacts will tell you more than any words can anyroad.

FartSock5000 · 05/03/2024 14:39

@PurpleTrees123 you should be angry.

You gave up your career and pension pot dwindled during those child bearing and raising years - he gave up nothing.

Now you think you are on an equal keel, you find out he had more money he was keeping secret while you paid out on the big ticket items AGAIN putting yourself at a disadvantage to him.

He is sneaky and a liar and your trust in him should be in doubt.

If he wants to make this up, then he should be paying for anything over and above the bills for the next year or two just like you did.

The real question is where did that extra money actually go because you know it wasn't on you, the kids, the house or holidays!

Sneaky.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:40

Cazpar · 05/03/2024 14:28

You need to talk to him about it.

All you've seen is "income: £97000".

You don't know what it relates to.

You don't know if it's an error.

You don't know if it's a scam (I work in this field, scam letters appearing to be from HMRC with tax demands are not uncommon).

Sit down with him later and talk to him.

I agree with this. You need to talk to him and find out what the full truth is.

It's not unknown for HMRC to make mistakes. I also work in this field and it's unlikely in my experience that "income" would be printed on a HMRC letter like that (presumably near enough to the address field to be visible). But it's also not unknown for people to conceal money from their spouse.

So you have to find out the truth from him.

Calculuses · 05/03/2024 14:40

I think it'sprobably not what you think it is. HMRC letters don't do that, I'd be amazed I'd that's what it is.

That said if he really is contributing all his income to his share of the bills, I can see why he might be inclined to keep his bonus quiet.

Lampslights · 05/03/2024 14:40

Why the faux naivety ? Your post is even written to show you know exactly why he does it. So you will pay and he doesn’t have to.

just say it, my husbands been mugging me off and lying.

Pushtart · 05/03/2024 14:41

I wouldn't accept it either. talk to him ASAP.

Scaffoldingisugly · 05/03/2024 14:42

Slightly different as were were on mw but dh lied he was on less than he was... I threw him out and filed for divorce..

Herdinggoats · 05/03/2024 14:42

How do you split bills? If he owns a third of the house and therefore pays a third of the mortgage then it is distasteful but hasn’t impacted you negatively. If you split in proportion to income then it is pretty despicable as he is happy for you to subsidise him, but when it’s his time to pick up the load he doesn’t want to.

You need a chat with him, but be prepared he might’ve been saving for a running away fund

641OrchidParade · 05/03/2024 14:43

If he does earn 90k+
Perhaps he has put it into a pension
Perhaps he has put it into his own emergency savings fund
Perhaps he has a gambling, drug habit
Perhaps he has an expensive hobby

Beamur · 05/03/2024 14:44

Ask him. There could be a simple explanation.
But if he earning lots more then he's telling you, it's lying by omission isn't it?

MissRabbitIsABoss · 05/03/2024 14:45

I think you need to actually talk to him and not presume anything about a letter where you have seen a small part relating to income. Have a conversation, you've known each other and been married a long time - this should be an approachable subject. I dont share a bank account with my husband either but when it comes to money and paying your share then money should always be a open subject

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:45

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 14:34

It wouldn't be unreasonable to say you want to see his tax returns for the last 10 years and show him yours too of course.

I don't see a problem with separate finances but marriage is based on trust and now you've found out he's been deceiving you about his income, that trust is eroded, which is a fundamental problem to your future as a couple.

I don't know if you are UK based, but the vast majority of people do not need to submit tax returns in the UK. And someone who is earning either £42k or £97k PAYE certainly won't need to, so she'd be asking for something that doesn't exist.

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 14:46

MassageForLife · 05/03/2024 14:38

I bet if a woman posted saying that she earns £42.5k, but for whatever reason that only just covers half the bills, and that her husband earns more, should she tell him about her bonus - she would get a very different response on here.

She would be advised to have her own savings account.

I disagree. It would depend on whether the woman was lying to her husband about her income in order to get him to pay for a new boiler, holidays etc. I don't think a woman would be advised by most people on MN to deceive her husband unless it was in order to escape an abusive marriage.

BirthdayRainbow · 05/03/2024 14:46

If it is genuine of course he has enough to contribute. He's choosing not to. He's got used to living off you. This would be a deal breaker for me.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:47

Herdinggoats · 05/03/2024 14:42

How do you split bills? If he owns a third of the house and therefore pays a third of the mortgage then it is distasteful but hasn’t impacted you negatively. If you split in proportion to income then it is pretty despicable as he is happy for you to subsidise him, but when it’s his time to pick up the load he doesn’t want to.

You need a chat with him, but be prepared he might’ve been saving for a running away fund

They've been married 10 years, so the house will be a joint asset regardless of how they split the payments.

easylikeasundaymorn · 05/03/2024 14:47

How much is your salary? Any chance the £97K could be household income?

Createausername1970 · 05/03/2024 14:48

I am in the "check it's not scam" first.

If you can see the wording in the window, then I would pass it over and make out it's a scam and say "hey DH, HMRC think you earn 100 grand. Wish you did, the next holiday is to the Bahamas" and see what his reaction is.

PickledPurplePickle · 05/03/2024 14:49

What have you actually seen?

It could have been anything, even a scam

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:49

MissRabbitIsABoss · 05/03/2024 14:45

I think you need to actually talk to him and not presume anything about a letter where you have seen a small part relating to income. Have a conversation, you've known each other and been married a long time - this should be an approachable subject. I dont share a bank account with my husband either but when it comes to money and paying your share then money should always be a open subject

Totally agree. Lots of assumptions being made when what the OP saw may well be either a scam letter or an error.

Money shouldn't be a taboo subject in a marriage, so discussing it is the best approach.

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 14:49

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:45

I don't know if you are UK based, but the vast majority of people do not need to submit tax returns in the UK. And someone who is earning either £42k or £97k PAYE certainly won't need to, so she'd be asking for something that doesn't exist.

I am UK based and I assumed they both fill in tax returns as she mentioned Inland Revenue letters but you're right to point out that not everybody has to do this.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:51

easylikeasundaymorn · 05/03/2024 14:47

How much is your salary? Any chance the £97K could be household income?

HMRC do not use household income when assessing for tax. So no, it couldn't be.

strawberry2017 · 05/03/2024 14:52

Get your iron out and open the envelope, take pictures and then reseal.
If he can be dishonest so can you. Only way you will know for sure what it says.

Sweetheart7 · 05/03/2024 14:52

Following for updates for when she has actually seen the letter herself!

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/03/2024 14:52

Shetlands · 05/03/2024 14:49

I am UK based and I assumed they both fill in tax returns as she mentioned Inland Revenue letters but you're right to point out that not everybody has to do this.

Plenty of people get letters from HMRC (e.g. regarding rebates, tax codes etc.)

Only a very small proportion of the population are required to submit tax returns.