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Son offered 100% bursary, but suddenly wants to go to the local school - AIBU to overrule???

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Abettertime · 04/03/2024 19:13

Nervous about posting this for fear of flaming from the indie school haters but need some help!

My eldest child dreamed of private school. The local state provision is fine, but no frills and at the open day, the teachers seemed disinterested. They begged to try for a bursary at the local indie. I thought it was a very long shot but didn’t want to not allow them the opportunity to try, so entered them. They sat the exams, and did well enough (and we are poor enough) to be awarded a large bursary. They had a bit of a wobble and it was made clear that it was their decision, but guided on making decisions for their education rather than friends who may come and go. Two years on, and they are loving it. So happy with their decision. They are now flying very high academically, and having lots of exposure to things they would never normally have access to. In orchestra, rock band, dance class, all at no cost extra £ to us. They have loads of friends, partly due to the access to so many like minded people, and also have had excellent pastoral support through a long illness. Being on a bursary does not hinder them; they have plenty of army kid friends who from similar backgrounds, and also some very wealthy friends. It’s a genuine non-issue.

Whilst eldest has been at said school, middle child has been very clear that they will join them. Gave reasons of, lot of work but the education is so much better. Has seen what the school has to offer and was very impressed at open days. Did private prep at home to prepare; was clearly up for going. Asked lots of questions over what would happen if he didn’t get a bursary (which were all pretty much avoided or answered with - cross that bridge type response). Sat the exam (and for only this school; he was clear he would not go to any other if he got in). Worried that he failed, but instead got in and offered 100% bursary, due to doing well in the exam. He immediately said, I might not go…

We initially entertained, hoping he’d come round. Dear reader, he has not. He is now adamant that he wants to go to the local school, but will give no reasons. He is not popular at school; he has two friends, one of which is going to a school out of area, and the other will go the same school, but a different year. He is a bright child who is engaged in everything, there are many clubs which will appeal to him. He would like to work in tech when he’s older. The private school has double IT lessons every week, plus further coding clubs. The state has a 6 week provision every year. Conversations about this go nowhere.

We are now at stalemate, and after telling him that he needed to go, this has become unpleasant. We have explained that he won’t get another chance as bursaries are only available at this entry point, we can discuss after a couple of years, this is the opportunity of a lifetime, and it’s like a lottery win. His viewpoint is, he wants to go to the local school and we said he could choose. (It was up to him if he sat the exam.) We have explained that we thought we would allow that, but now that he has, we realise that it’s the wrong decision in our eyes, and we are not ok with it. Explained that even adults make mistakes, and apologized for making this mistake, but were not about to let him make a bigger mistake.

He is closed to more discussion. We are concerned that if he goes to the local state, as an adult he will regret that we allowed an 11 y old to make such a huge decision. Or sooner; if he wanted to go in a year or two it would be impossible due to lack of bursary. We are also concerned however that if we force him to go to the indie, he will deliberately hate it (he is massively stubborn) and not engage, setting in bad habits which might be set even if he moved.

So. AIBU to force him to the private school? To be clear, if both children were at the local state, it wouldn’t be such an issue. I don’t discredit state schools; if my daughter hadn’t read so much Enid Blyton she would be at the local state now. We always knew he would get in as the bar is fairly low. I was very stressed about the bursary issue but prepared to sell the house in order to make sure both children were treated fairly.

Advice desperately needed!!!!!

OP posts:
PoochiesPinkEars · 05/03/2024 14:46

Agree with @Previousreligion

Toomanyemails · 05/03/2024 15:03

Do you think your middle child just wanted to do the exam to prove to themselves/you that they were just as good as your eldest? Do they have any reason to be wary of being at the same school as the eldest (constantly being known as X's younger sibling, possibly compared unfavourably if eldest is more popular/brighter?)
Personally I'd say fine to overrule, having kids at different schools sounds like a logistical pain and at 11, they don't get the final say. But you need to try to get to the bottom of his feelings, just in case there's a valid reason - which you may be able to address. I say this as someone who's in principal opposed to private schools, but I don't oppose any individual parent making the best choices for their children.

Mix56 · 05/03/2024 15:42

Has he been mocked by his current class mates, as a swot or otherwise privileged outsider?
Is there a girl involved ?????, first love & all that ...

CrispEater2000 · 05/03/2024 15:43

Echoing others, at 11 years old he's not able to see the bigger picture of how good an opportunity this would be. That's not his fault at all.

Maybe you could spin it to say he'd get more opportunity to do things he enjoys, like coding and IT, art, sports etc. Whatever it is that motivates him, this is the place he needs to be to do it.

My DS will be moving schools next year. I like giving him the independence to make his own decisions but if I thought he would be making the wrong choice and he couldn't explain a good reason why, it wouldn't be his choice - regardless of the leg stomping and groaning that would come from it!

NameChangeAgainAdvicePlease · 05/03/2024 16:02

People let children choose these things for their own selfish reasons (usually to do with where they perceive their own parents went wrong), but it is proven to cause anxiety, not relieve it. Being 'forced' into education may not be the reason these anecdotally fucked up children are fucked up. Many factors are at play.

If a child is given too much control over the big decisions in their own lives, they begin to assume they are in control of everything, and then if anything goes wrong, they assume have only themselves to blame. And things do go wrong, which results in great psychological pain.

Do not burden your son with this. Tell him he can choose again at year 9 but for now he's made his decision by taking, and passing, the exam.

If YWBU about anything it was in presenting it as a choice to child 1 rather than making it seem like the entire thing was a parental decision, thereby protecting them from harm if things went tits up

MrsCarson · 05/03/2024 16:07

At 11 they don't get to make life changing decisions in my book.
He could turn down the private school and then hate the local one. There would be no going back.
Better to go with the private one and change to the local if it doesn't work out. I would not tell him this however as he may sabotage the placement.
You always aim for the highest thing, this one being the education also with extracurricular things not offered elsewhere, then downscale as needed.

FluffyToesMeow · 05/03/2024 16:18

EweCee · 04/03/2024 19:24

I’d be taking the stance of try the indie first and if you don’t like it, and can give robust reasons why, you can switch in state in a year. However, that’s not an option that would work the other way round hence starting in the indie first.

This

FluffyToesMeow · 05/03/2024 16:18

MadamVastra · 04/03/2024 19:27

Indie makes my teeth itch

Yep

Rycbar · 05/03/2024 16:59

I think that I would tell him them that you are open to listening to their arguments for and against the school.tell them that if they are old enough to make this decision that could affect their entire future then they are old enough to give their reasons why. I would then compromise like others have said with saying he needs to try it for a year (or half a year) and if he does not like it then he can move

MILLYmo0se · 05/03/2024 17:33

I dont understand how the system works but is there definitely a place available in state school if he didn't even apply there?

sagittariusThroughandthrough · 05/03/2024 19:04

He’s clearly a smart boy but perhaps nervous about going to the unknown.
just explain that you was wrong to suggest he has fully choice as you already have, while you respect his decision you think the best thing to do right now is he goes to the indie school as a trial and as a family you will review how he feels about it let him decide to review periods of sorts, if he genuinely doesn’t like it then you can all reconsider moving back to his school..

explain there isn’t a second chance with the indie school but there will be a second chance with the state school (hopefully) and this is the best compromise you can come up with, let him just sit on the idea for awhile.

failing that just send him to the indie school after all you’re the parent and sometimes you need to make tough decisions to benefit him in the long run, if he self sabotages at least he’s there already and you can figure out what next

Manthide · 05/03/2024 20:06

MILLYmo0se · 05/03/2024 17:33

I dont understand how the system works but is there definitely a place available in state school if he didn't even apply there?

For all 4dc I still applied for a state secondary place and just declined the offer when we accepted the private school's offer.

stichguru · 05/03/2024 21:38

I would say that you will consider his decision IF he explains why. I think you need to tread carefully here - there could be a multitude of reasons and I would say trying to understand your son's thought process is probably more important than which school he ends up in.

ntmdino · 06/03/2024 11:02

ScrollingLeaves · 05/03/2024 11:43

That is just awful. Could she do a science access course now and try again to be a vet, or at least do a science degree?

As is (almost) always the case when folk get to adulthood, she's feeling kind of stuck in terms of money - bear in mind, she's approaching 30 now, so she's bought a house with her OH and doesn't want to drop the burden of paying for everything onto him; she sees it as unfair for her to effectively make him pay for the consequences of her poor choices, especially when it would take a decade for her to get back to her current level of earning. I've got to say, in her position, I'd probably feel the same about it.

Her grandmother had an awful lot to answer for - not just on this...she ruined every life she touched. I say this very rarely, but...thankfully, she's no longer around.

The irony is that she was miserable at the school in question anyway - the friends she was so desperate to stay with turned into bullies almost immediately, and she couldn't find a social group to fit into.

However, to the OP...my overall point is that pre-teens cannot be trusted to make their own choices in any way, because they (rightly) have no way to understand the scale of the consequences of choosing poorly.

Heidi75 · 06/03/2024 16:54

It's a no brainer really and 11 year olds do not understand the ramifications of their decision. Tell him it's happening and you will assess again after a year

Juststopamoment · 06/03/2024 17:50

I would make him go. As someone else said you are the parent.

Owl55 · 06/03/2024 17:53

Has your elder child at the school warned him off going maybe? Seems rather odd if he had been keen to go?

OhcantthInkofaname · 06/03/2024 18:21

My brain runs around in circles at calling individual people "they".

TakeOnFlea · 06/03/2024 18:26

"Indie makes my teeth itch"

Ugh, please stop saying "teeth itch"

Op - he's 11. Just get him told.

Toomuchgoingon79 · 06/03/2024 18:33

You are the parent. He has an amazing opportunity. Tell him he has to at least try it for a year or two. If it doesn't work out then he can attend state school.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2024 18:38

ntmdino · 06/03/2024 11:02

As is (almost) always the case when folk get to adulthood, she's feeling kind of stuck in terms of money - bear in mind, she's approaching 30 now, so she's bought a house with her OH and doesn't want to drop the burden of paying for everything onto him; she sees it as unfair for her to effectively make him pay for the consequences of her poor choices, especially when it would take a decade for her to get back to her current level of earning. I've got to say, in her position, I'd probably feel the same about it.

Her grandmother had an awful lot to answer for - not just on this...she ruined every life she touched. I say this very rarely, but...thankfully, she's no longer around.

The irony is that she was miserable at the school in question anyway - the friends she was so desperate to stay with turned into bullies almost immediately, and she couldn't find a social group to fit into.

However, to the OP...my overall point is that pre-teens cannot be trusted to make their own choices in any way, because they (rightly) have no way to understand the scale of the consequences of choosing poorly.

Her school years and grandmother sound very unfortunate, but well done to her and you anyway for her growing up so responsible, being able to buy a house with her partner, and having what sounds like a passable income in her own right, all by age 29.

Thisworldsnofun · 06/03/2024 18:57

My son applied, got in but didn't get the bursary. I can't afford the fees to send him there by myself. He's gutted. As am I. As others have said, he can try it and switch to the local school if he hates it but he won't be able to do that the other way round. Once you turn down the place, it's gone.

Ohgollymolly · 06/03/2024 19:09

Yeah, I’d make him go.

At that age he can’t possibly understand the intricacies of what this opportunity will mean for him. If he really actually hates it, you’ll know when to pull him out (if it came to that).

Hope it doesn’t make things too unpleasant. Boys this age can be very strong willed!

DeeDoyle · 06/03/2024 19:12

At the end of the day,you are the parent,he is an 11 year old child. YOU make the decision for him just as you have been up to now. You are his mother you know whats best. He doesnt get to make such a huge decision as he is too young to understand the consequences.x

TwylaSands · 06/03/2024 19:15

DeeDoyle · 06/03/2024 19:12

At the end of the day,you are the parent,he is an 11 year old child. YOU make the decision for him just as you have been up to now. You are his mother you know whats best. He doesnt get to make such a huge decision as he is too young to understand the consequences.x

This.

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